Smal Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I missed the control bit for some reason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ferguson has let talented players he can't control go in the past who've done alright. Not many. Made pretty big fuck ups with Piqué and Rossi though, didn't he? They even clearly had ability before they left. Who's to say this isn't one of those examples (rather than the likes of Gibson who's never shown any ability) Even with the likes of Obertan we had the Man U fans telling us he was pure shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Also think he was pretty keen to keep Pique anyway, but the player wanted to go back to Barca. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ferguson has let talented players he can't control go in the past who've done alright. Not many. Made pretty big f*** ups with Piqué and Rossi though, didn't he? They even clearly had ability before they left. Who's to say this isn't one of those examples (rather than the likes of Gibson who's never shown any ability) Absolutely nothing to do with him not being able to 'control' them. So who has left who he couldn't control? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Also think he was pretty keen to keep Pique anyway, but the player wanted to go back to Barca. He rated Jonny Evans higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ferguson has let talented players he can't control go in the past who've done alright. Not many. Made pretty big f*** ups with Piqué and Rossi though, didn't he? They even clearly had ability before they left. Who's to say this isn't one of those examples (rather than the likes of Gibson who's never shown any ability) Absolutely nothing to do with him not being able to 'control' them. So who has left who he couldn't control? Why are you asking me? I can't think of any, as I've suggested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I wonder if a Spurs or Chelsea intend on bidding. They'll probably see it as a gamble worth taking, like us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Forget the witness intimidating thing for one second. This guy doesn't turn up to training. Even Ranger manages that, albeit later than he should. This guy doesn't even show up. Which makes you wonder if he even cares about the game. That would worry me the most out of anything else. If he happened to be someone who is really into the game, and just happened to maybe make some poor decisions off the pitch that would be one thing. You would just hope that we have some background info into why it might potentially work for this kid at Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ferguson has let talented players he can't control go in the past who've done alright. Not many. Made pretty big f*** ups with Piqué and Rossi though, didn't he? They even clearly had ability before they left. Who's to say this isn't one of those examples (rather than the likes of Gibson who's never shown any ability) Absolutely nothing to do with him not being able to 'control' them. So who has left who he couldn't control? Why are you asking me? I can't think of any, as I've suggested. Fuck know what i'm reading man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why is Fergie known as some sort of excellent man manager of young talent anyway? It's always been said "If Gazza went to Man U Fergie would have sorted him out", "If Fergie cannot sort him out no one can" etc. Is there actually any basis behind this at all other than the team he manages? (He played a huge part in getting them where they were, granted). He seems like a fucking psycho in all honesty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ferguson has let talented players he can't control go in the past who've done alright. Not many. Made pretty big f*** ups with Piqué and Rossi though, didn't he? They even clearly had ability before they left. Who's to say this isn't one of those examples (rather than the likes of Gibson who's never shown any ability) Absolutely nothing to do with him not being able to 'control' them. Depends how you read it. Both wanted first team football, he couldn't convince Rossi (not sure about Pique) to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 For crying out loud, Nixon. If that's the case, it's simply failure to curb ambition, not failure to control the lad's behaviour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 For crying out loud, Nixon. If that's the case, it's simply failure to curb ambition, not failure to control the lad's behaviour. I admit I was playing Devils Avacado for the hell of it. I still think (so easy with hindsight's clarity) that he should have blooded both of them. Two world class players worth north of 10-15m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why is Fergie known as some sort of excellent man manager of young talent anyway? It's always been said "If Gazza went to Man U Fergie would have sorted him out", "If Fergie cannot sort him out no one can" etc. Is there actually any basis behind this at all other than the team he manages? (He played a huge part in getting them where they were, granted). He seems like a f***ing psycho in all honesty. The players who've spent a fair bit of time with him - especially that lot that came through the ranks in the mid-90s - are generally perceived as being very level-headed and professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Keane's about the only one who left for this reason. Stam at a push with the whole book thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Could of swore I read Stam was being offered round before his book came out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why is Fergie known as some sort of excellent man manager of young talent anyway? It's always been said "If Gazza went to Man U Fergie would have sorted him out", "If Fergie cannot sort him out no one can" etc. Is there actually any basis behind this at all other than the team he manages? (He played a huge part in getting them where they were, granted). He seems like a f***ing psycho in all honesty. The players who've spent a fair bit of time with him - especially that lot that came through the ranks in the mid-90s - are generally perceived as being very level-headed and professional. I don't think he'd have tamed Gazza, in fact I think he'd have got sick of his antics and got rid of him. As back then he was totally different to what he is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why is Fergie known as some sort of excelent man manager of young talent anyway? It's always been said "If Gazza went to Man U Fergie would have sorted him out", "If Fergie cannot sort him out no one can" etc. Is there actually any basis behind this at all other than the team he manages? (He played a huge part in getting them where they were, granted). That always makes me laugh, considering he'd have been joining up with alcoholics like Bryan Robson. Paul Mcgrath (there's one) says in his book Ferguson never got rid of the drinking culture at ManU, he just got rid of most of the drinkers. He's also got rid of Whiteside, Sharpe, Yorke, Beckham etc rather than 'sorting them out' and getting them focused on football. He's a football manager not a psychologist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Why is Fergie known as some sort of excellent man manager of young talent anyway? It's always been said "If Gazza went to Man U Fergie would have sorted him out", "If Fergie cannot sort him out no one can" etc. Is there actually any basis behind this at all other than the team he manages? (He played a huge part in getting them where they were, granted). He seems like a f***ing psycho in all honesty. The players who've spent a fair bit of time with him - especially that lot that came through the ranks in the mid-90s - are generally perceived as being very level-headed and professional. I don't think he'd have tamed Gazza, in fact I think he'd have got sick of his antics and got rid of him. As back then he was totally different to what he is now. I can actually feel you aching to type 'Paul McGrath'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 @MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Source close to Morrison reckons he needs move 'for his career; for his life'. Crossroads for wonder kid: #nufc convinced they can save him 1 minute ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinotheprehistoricgeordie Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 @MsiDouglas Mark Douglas Source close to Morrison reckons he needs move 'for his career; for his life'. Crossroads for wonder kid: #nufc convinced they can save him 1 minute ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Interesting. Would rather we were focusing our intentions on strikers and defenders. What does this potential signing mean for Abeid and Vuckic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I'm still pretty undecided about Morrison. Though I guess if he is that good, then he may well be worth a gamble. But then again, there's always going to be questions about his attitude. I really don't want to see another Ranger situation. Hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Interesting. Would rather we were focusing our intentions on strikers and defenders. What does this potential signing mean for Abeid and Vuckic? Is Morrison not a wide man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,91358.0.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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