Yorkie Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Roeder? He was s****, and it wasn't like we didn't have the money. We've been utterly garbage in the transfer market ever since Robson, bar the occassional good signing. It's paid no small part in our demise - it's been a pretty focal point in all honesty. Roeder had an extremely limited budget in comparison to Souness and Allerdyce and got us an equal or higher position. I'm not saying he was good, I'm saying he was good in the circumstances. That second season was horrible, but in hindsight the injuries were ridiculous. I often felt like Roeder was lied to. Scouting Kuyt, yet ending up with Rossi and Sibierski. Nah, he was just fucking rubbish - at everything. Such a poxy, amateurish manager in every respect, yet deluded himself into thinking he was this disciplined, professional boss with stubborn morals. He just didn't pull it off and the Kuyt thing just epitomised it. Supposedly going down this route of careful, proper consideration of a player - he had to see him about fifteen times before making a decision. The irony was that he went to the Holland/Ireland game to run the rule over him again... all the while, Benitez was there to sign him. In fairness to Roeder he did sign Martins - and for that he does deserve credit as Oba was a good striker - but it was blatantly panicked and could have been a bit of a catastrophe given the best we had at the time was Shola, who ended up being out for the season too. He dallied in that transfer market and we ended up with Rossi, Sibierski and Bernard - and the whole season dropped like an absolute stone, after so much hope following a mint climax the year before. That's before we start on Damien F Duff... By the by, Allardyce was probably the best of a bad bunch with the transfer market. And his budget was nowhere near as meaty as Roeder's. Souness, obviously, had about £50m in his war-chest which was quite clearly one of Shepherd's most insane ideas ever, giving that to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Roeder? He was s****, and it wasn't like we didn't have the money. We've been utterly garbage in the transfer market ever since Robson, bar the occassional good signing. It's paid no small part in our demise - it's been a pretty focal point in all honesty. Roeder had an extremely limited budget in comparison to Souness and Allerdyce and got us an equal or higher position. I'm not saying he was good, I'm saying he was good in the circumstances. That second season was horrible, but in hindsight the injuries were ridiculous. I often felt like Roeder was lied to. Scouting Kuyt, yet ending up with Rossi and Sibierski. Nah, he was just f***ing rubbish - at everything. Such a poxy, amateurish manager in every respect, yet deluded himself into thinking he was this disciplined, professional boss with stubborn morals. He just didn't pull it off and the Kuyt thing just epitomised it. Supposedly going down this route of careful, proper consideration of a player - he had to see him about fifteen times before making a decision. The irony was that he went to the Holland/Ireland game to run the rule over him again... all the while, Benitez was there to sign him. In fairness to Roeder he did sign Martins - and for that he does deserve credit as Oba was a good striker - but it was blatantly panicked and could have been a bit of a catastrophe given the best we had at the time was Shola, who ended up being out for the season too. He dallied in that transfer market and we ended up with Rossi, Sibierski and Bernard - and the whole season dropped like an absolute stone, after so much hope following a mint climax the year before. That's before we start on Damien F Duff... Roeder has claimed that Duff wasn't his signing, although he was happy to have him in the squad. The board had allocated £15m to be spent on the squad and it all went on two players, and the biggest crime was that none of the players who came in was a functioning left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Christ, a signing? I'd almost forgotten there was life after the World Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 It's a good signing - he's just 24 and has bags of experience in the Championship. Right age to step up. Williamson had played a mere 30 games or so before he joined us and he looks to be a good signing, what's to say Perch will be any different? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 A signing, that's a start and pretty much destroys the "no capital outlay on new players" statement, though this probably means we just won't buy any expensive players. So that must mean no Joe Cole It doesn't destroy the "no capital outlay" statement. It just means we've spent some money on a player, whether that money is going to be funded by the sale of any of our current players or out of the club's (.i.e. Ashley's) funds is the test. We won't know if there has been capital outlay on new players until the window ends. We don't even know what capital outlay means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 A right back than can tackle is going to be a novelty and don't anyone kid themselves, we'll be defending quite a bit next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest secteur2010 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Cannot see anything wrong with the Perch signing. Good, young player, can progress and will learn more as time goes on. Yet some people on here were extolling the possible signing of Beckford from Leeds a while back. Albeit players in different positions, Perch will be the more sound purchase in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Fairly happy with the signing to be honest. He can play a number of positions and should be hungry as opposed to someone like say Samuel who's had many more chances and not done much with them. Actually know one Forest fan who's sad to see him go and when I've ever seen him (fairly infrequently if I'm honest) he's always looked good to me. Let's hope he has a Jenas-esque first season at least Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Better than Danny Simpson from what i've seen, good talker too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 12 months left on his contract would mean we have got a bargain buy. I thought we would be getting reduced to clear. So this deal is a plus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 A signing, that's a start and pretty much destroys the "no capital outlay on new players" statement, though this probably means we just won't buy any expensive players. So that must mean no Joe Cole It doesn't destroy the "no capital outlay" statement. It just means we've spent some money on a player, whether that money is going to be funded by the sale of any of our current players or out of the club's (.i.e. Ashley's) funds is the test. We won't know if there has been capital outlay on new players until the window ends. We don't even know what capital outlay means. and the fees are always undisclosed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Good signing. You can never have enough utility players imo. Exactly. If you combine him with Ryan Taylor and Alan Smith, Newcastle have real versatile and dynamic side. Looking forward to it. He looks scarily like Routledge Not meant as a racist comment at all but Houghton seems to prefer players that have the same skin tone as him, Routledge, Simpson, Best and now Perch. Hall and van Aanholt. He does like his fairskinned black players, it seems. It's an indictment of how hard it is to watch Championship matches that I never realised van Aanholt was black until just now. They aren't 'fair-skinned black' they are mixed raced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Cheap cover, but so was Ryan Taylor really and he isn't much use even as cover. Reserving judgement on him cos I've only seen him play a couple of times, wouldn't be fair to say it's a good signing or a bad signing, my feeling is neutral. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 What's with Ryan Taylor now actually? Think he will go. Think he and LuaLua will be the players we're selling in this window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Oh good. A transfer. Something for people to complain about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Oh good. A transfer. Something for people to complain about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 What's with Ryan Taylor now actually? Think he will go. Think he and LuaLua will be the players we're selling in this window. perhaps back up to routiledge (in a sense) in a right midfield role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 What's with Ryan Taylor now actually? Think he will go. Think he and LuaLua will be the players we're selling in this window. perhaps back up to routiledge (in a sense) in a right midfield role I'm still living in hope that we'll sign an exciting wide player. Then again I'm also secretly deluding myself into thinking we'll get a new midfielder and a top striker aswell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 What's with Ryan Taylor now actually? Think he will go. Think he and LuaLua will be the players we're selling in this window. perhaps back up to routiledge (in a sense) in a right midfield role Aye, right. Forgot that he can play as a midfielder as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Oh good. A transfer. Something for people to complain about. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 so, yesterday we all expected no signings at all, certainly none that cost money. today we make a signing, that we have had to pay a fee for, and we're still moaning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 so, yesterday we all expected no signings at all, certainly none that cost money. today we make a signing, that we have had to pay a fee for, and we're still moaning? He was a back up player for forest, I think that's why people aren't overjoyed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Welcome to Tup Tup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I'm going to pretend I'm fine with this signing and that I have realistic expectations for next season, and that Perch will be a good squad player for us. But when next season starts and the reality of struggling every week sets in, I'm going to change my mind, panic, and claim this signing was a sign of both limited ambition and Hughton's poor judgment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antigalican Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 I think It would be a good idea to see him play in a black-and white shirt before judging him. There's plenty come with huge reputations that have turned out to be cack, and plenty with reputations yet to be made wo have gone on and done exactly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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