Ikon Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Pardew will not play him on the wing, not in the near future, going by what the man himself has said. And rightly so imo. i was laaate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 We just ignoring everything Pardew's said about his plans for Ben Arfa then? Just like Santon at LB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Ben Arfa should just come in for Obertan or stay on the bench as an impact player. We have two strikers on form, and one wing player who is contributing very little offnsively or defensively. I thought he looked vulnerable in the middle, personally. It would be typically English to through a #10 on the wing, but I really believe it is the best option right now. What were you expecting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 We just ignoring everything Pardew's said about his plans for Ben Arfa then? Just like Santon at LB? Difference being Santon has said he'll play anywhere, while Ben Arfa's been told where he'll be playing, and Pardew knows where he wants to play and that he wouldn't like to put him there (on the wing) as Barfa wouldn't be happy in that role, from what i understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 We just ignoring everything Pardew's said about his plans for Ben Arfa then? I think he knows where he wants him to end up, but for the fact I reckon he'll find it easier to drop Obertan than Best, I can see him starting out wide for a few games, maybe build up his fitness, and come the Everton or City game move him behind Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 We just ignoring everything Pardew's said about his plans for Ben Arfa then? Circumstances change though and i doubt Pardew would have thought Ba and Best would have started the season as well as they have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 For me, the number 10 role is best suited to Ben Arfa's style of play and given time, I'm confident he'll excel in such a role. Wigan would be the perfect game to test the 4-4-1-1 formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 We want drop any 4-4-2 with arfa. The fact is that Ba already is playing very deep like in a 4-4-1. We won´t see any different. But I like the idea with playing two forwards against Wigan. But not the idea with arfa on the wing would rather play; Marx Cab Tiote Jonas Arfa Ba As people has said. he lost the ball a few times when you expect him to not. BUT wasn´t he just magical to find different positions and areas basically he didn´t do much. but still our game improved a lot with him on the field. think when he is 100 and he has started to get an understanding with the rest of the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Its strange that Pardew is reluctant to use Marveaux.. perhaps he doesnt perform well on the training pitch.. because every time ive seen him play he has oozed class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 The thing is, you drop best and you drop the 4-4-2 system. Ba's been dropping deep quite a bit to collect the ball,the only real change will be having players better suited to the roles,particularly when Santon is brought in too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Think some are being a bit harsh on him. He did lose the ball a few times and run it into blind alleys. Problem was, because we were pushing for the winner and the game was so open, we were left really exposed when he did lose it. Watching the game back last night, he commits a lot of defenders and certianly added some much needed drive to our attacks, couldn't rely on Jonas all game and Ba had gone off. Been said loads of times, but he was trying way too hard to impress and win the game himself. I personally thought there were some really promising signs from him. Depending how the game goes Saturday, I reckon he'll get another 20-30 minutes, then start against Blackburn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think he'll eventually be particularly effective away from home too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think he'll eventually be particularly effective away from home too. Agreed. Love the way he and Jonas runs at the opposition. They will link up very well. We need to get him up to speed in the next three games for when we play the two Manchesters away followed by Chelski at home. I can't see Best and/or Obertan causing these top quality teams too many problems. A fully fit on form and bedded in Ben Arfa could cause any team problems. Especially alongside the likes of Cabaye, Tiote and Jonas. Same goes for Santon at RB. He has got the quality to be a hit. Now is the time to try and bed these two in the team over the next three matches. Would be a bit harsh to just chuck them in not match sharp against the two Manchester teams expecting them to perform miracles. Let's have a better look at Marveaux on the right too in a Premier league game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Wouldn't worry about Ba getting isolated as the lone striker like. What's impressed and surprised me most about him, is his willingness to come and get the ball and be involved in play and he still has the energy to be an ever-present nuisance in the box. Ben Arfa and Ba will form a really good partnership imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Should start in the free role against Wigan, no question about it. Excited to see what he can do, didn't really get going against Spurs tbh but our shape looked much better with just one up front and HBA in the hole. I'd take Obertan and Best out and give Ben Arfa and Marveaux a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Wouldn't drop Best for Ben Arfa atm. Seen nothing to suggest it would be wise. Either in for Obertan or sitting on the bench for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwegianmagpie Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Wouldn't drop Best for Ben Arfa atm. Seen nothing to suggest it would be wise. Either in for Obertan or sitting on the bench for me. this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 We just ignoring everything Pardew's said about his plans for Ben Arfa then? Just like Santon at LB? Santon prefers to play at RB. HBA prefers to play as a trequartista behind the striker(s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I'd be very surprised if Ben Arfa comes in for Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Pretty much, wigan game would be a perfect game to accomodate Ben Arfa, but can we afford it if he's so far off match fitness as it looks? he didn't really look sharp at all and wanted far too much. A full 90 minutes winning against Wigan would maybe give him the rest he will need to get back to what he was good at? On the other hand this type of game is where I would expect Best to have a walk in the park with his current form and playing him, curse me for saying this, I believe we would have more of a safe chance of nicking the victory. Might be good to try to get BeA in at around 60 minute mark to rest one of either Ba or Best for the next fixtures though. Fully expect him to get minutes regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? What happens when Maiga comes? I wonder if Pardew does see Ben Arfa as part of his long term plans. (I know that will sound stupid to most). Maybe him and cabaye will work wonders with each other or maybe they will get in each others way. As I said, not convinced yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I doubt he'll start, but hopefully we get a couple of goals up and can introduce him earlyish in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Don't half speak some shite, you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I think he should start, i have no idea in what position though. It's almost like Pardew is waiting for an injury to one of the first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? What happens when Maiga comes? I wonder if Pardew does see Ben Arfa as part of his long term plans. (I know that will sound stupid to most). Maybe him and cabaye will work wonders with each other or maybe they will get in each others way. As I said, not convinced yet. Not convinced with what? With time, Ben Arfa will be a regular. Simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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