Interpolic Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 He won't be brilliant if he tries to do it all on his own and picks up a booking every week. You'd hope that won't be the case though. Jesus Lord give me strength ... Why would he try to do it on his own with Cabaye and Sissoko in the midfield with him? People are being way to harsh with Tiote. At least he isn't a coward, shirking responsibility. He actually tries to make things happen. Not his fault he was being played in a midfield two with inexperienced partners while Cabaye was out. He's at his best in a midfield three, and will give pass the ball well, and on time when people show for it. Have people forgotten how bad our movement was when Ba and Cisse were being played up top in a 4-4-2? I will bump this thread continuously to show up all you doubters when he comes back and is outstanding! Check out my other post, our views are similar but I'm just saying he needs to keep it simple and cut out the silly bookings. I have faith he can do that given the players around him, but it's not a given by any stretch of the imagination. Some of that comes down to how he's instructed to play. The coaches need to drum it in to him to tackle (cleanly) and pass again and again. It's a slight concern that Pardew's quotes on the matter suggest he wants Tiote to be a more complete midfielder, but perhaps he'll revert to sense now he has other players to give us those qualities going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Kaka is spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Kaka defending the Africans as per. Agree though. Nah, I'm definitely not about that. Tiote is not a bad footballer. Period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I really hope you're right, him keeping it simple and back to his best would be immense, and him Cabaye and Sissoko is a midfield I wouldn't swap with anyone in the league with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Please stay in South Africa. Who was it that you said was shit last time? Can't remember. Sammy wasn't it? Think I was very right then and still do now. He's shit like his brother. Marveaux as well by the looks. Really? quotes please? Wasn't too impressed when he first game back but can't remember saying he was shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Not his fault he was being played in a midfield two with inexperienced partners while Cabaye was out. He's at his best in a midfield three, and will give pass the ball well, and on time when people show for it. Have people forgotten how bad our movement was when Ba and Cisse were being played up top in a 4-4-2? I will bump this thread continuously to show up all you doubters when he comes back and is outstanding! Tioté's best form for the club came in a 4-4-2 playing alongside Kevin Nolan, no less. Cabaye has essentially been playing as a DM in the last two games and he's made as many tackles per game as Tioté this season (stats, yay). I think he's pretty adequate doing the majority of the defensive work (alongside someone else) in a lot of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 FFS man, I wasn't even disagreeing with Kaka, he's just a mad radgie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Just show him videos of his debut and attempt to get him to play like that again. As countless others have mentioned you really want him beginning from a position in front of the back four, running around like a dog chasing and harrying everything that comes into his zone, winning the ball back and then retaining possession with exceptional passing accuracy. I don't mind a Cruff turn here and there if it retains possession for us like it used to. I believe a Tiote doing this is the best defensive midfielder in the division these days, although I'm sure some won't agree. Of course he's going to commit fouls playing the way he does, but there's no excuse for him to commit silly ones as regularly as he has been. In terms of reasons for his poor form: I can't help but feel he's let things go to his head a bit and has become too "Hollywood" for somebody playing in his position on the pitch. I also think there's plenty of evidence pointing towards the issue of Pardiola trying to "expand his game" into more of a complete midfielder type of role, which has ultimately harmed his general performances. Maybe he felt that was a necessity in a 4-4-2, though? Not so much now, surely? Still love him and his attitude, but I can appreciate why there's been so much criticism of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 FFS man, I wasn't even disagreeing with Kaka, he's just a mad radgie. Fair enough ...actually, fuck that: *something ostracising* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Please stay in South Africa. Who was it that you said was shit last time? Can't remember. Sammy wasn't it? Think I was very right then and still do now. He's shit like his brother. Marveaux as well by the looks. Really? quotes please? Wasn't too impressed when he first game back but can't remember saying he was shit. My mistake, saw you saying he was a 'fucking gutless cunt' and didn't realise it was sarcasm. Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The end of that Ivory Coast game was a canny microcosm of Cheick Tiote, btw. Numerous stupid fouls when his team are chasing the game, daft little instances like not retreating from free-kicks (only harming his own team when about to lose 2-1) and generally charging around like a bull in a China shop. However, there was also a great moment where he won the ball back and pinged a perfect pass out wide to Yaya Toure and where one of his balls into the box from a deeper wide-right position (something of a speciality of his) almost led to an equaliser but for poor control by Lacina Traore. I don't think it can be argued that he lacks intelligence, so surely he'd benefit from more rigid tactical instructions/positioning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Hahahaha no bother mate. The Tiote comment is sort of tongue in cheek but I'd rather Anita played ahead of him in the team based on this seasons performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Not his fault he was being played in a midfield two with inexperienced partners while Cabaye was out. He's at his best in a midfield three, and will give pass the ball well, and on time when people show for it. Have people forgotten how bad our movement was when Ba and Cisse were being played up top in a 4-4-2? I will bump this thread continuously to show up all you doubters when he comes back and is outstanding! Tioté's best form for the club came in a 4-4-2 playing alongside Kevin Nolan, no less. Cabaye has essentially been playing as a DM in the last two games and he's made as many tackles per game as Tioté this season (stats, yay). I think he's pretty adequate doing the majority of the defensive work (alongside someone else) in a lot of games. That's the thing. Give me Tiote's 20 best games for the club and 15 of them came when Nolan was alongside him getting forward and he was there covering the exposed defence. I'm a tad biased because I've always believed strongly in midfielders that can win the ball, keep it and get forward, with the odd exception. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Not his fault he was being played in a midfield two with inexperienced partners while Cabaye was out. He's at his best in a midfield three, and will give pass the ball well, and on time when people show for it. Have people forgotten how bad our movement was when Ba and Cisse were being played up top in a 4-4-2? I will bump this thread continuously to show up all you doubters when he comes back and is outstanding! Tioté's best form for the club came in a 4-4-2 playing alongside Kevin Nolan, no less. Cabaye has essentially been playing as a DM in the last two games and he's made as many tackles per game as Tioté this season (stats, yay). I think he's pretty adequate doing the majority of the defensive work (alongside someone else) in a lot of games. That's the thing. Give me Tiote's 20 best games for the club and 15 of them came when Nolan was alongside him getting forward and he was there covering the exposed defence. I'm a tad biased because I've always believed strongly in midfielders that can win the ball, keep it and get forward, with the odd exception. The thing that annoys me most is that back then under Hughton where Tioté was playing alongside Nolan he still kept everything as simple as possible. Win the ball, pass it to a teammate. He was excellent and that's why he was linked to other clubs. Under Pardew when Tioté has been playing alongside a less creative player in a two he's clearly been instructed to be the creative player. It's bonkers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Poll added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I will say about Tiote that his persistent fouling must stop. However, I do feel that the worse we play, the more frustrated he gets, and the more likely he is to do something foolish. The guy is too emotional, and that''s a big part of it. At least it all means something to him though right? He'll revel in a team playing the stuff we have been since the new boys joined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Poll added. Yes, really the only question is will Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Poll added. Ahead of Perch? I'm pretty sure nearly everyone would. Ahead of Marveaux and Anita, not most of the time, no imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Ahead of Perch, Anita is a more difficult proposition, but not too bothered if he is played, as long as if he's rubbish then Anita comes in instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Perch is in possession of the shirt right now, not Anita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Tiote behind Perch? Never thought this day would come. Obviously he has to start, because no matter what our weakest link the last two games has been Perch, and he hasn't really played badly. I just think Tiote is the better footballer and therefore should start no matter what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Changed the poll anyway. People can change their vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Gone for Anita. Having said that very hard choice but think Tiote needs the competition for his place to challenge him to improve more than most. Again though expect him to start and would love him to be back to his best, and if he is he deserves the spot over the others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Anita has none of Tiote's strengths and a fair few of his weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I love how everyone is changing their tact because he's coming back before he left he was a liability and wanted him sold now he's the savior He's been bad this season there's no getting around that, if he suddenly improves his performance then fair play but i don't think its certain he will come back and perform because he's surrounded by better players. He was hot and cold last season and he's been bad this, really an example of a player being away for a while and suddenly being hyped up to something he isn't. Fair play if he comes back and performs and i will admit i was wrong but i fail to see where all this confidence is coming from. He's obviously miles better than Perch though, bad performances or not but fact is Perch shouldn't be playing anyway. Fairly broad brush you're using there, Mole. Aye. I've been saying for some time people were way over the top with their criticisms of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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