madras Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 He said he wanted 'goalscorers on the pitch'. May aswell have played 10 strikers from the off then, if it's that simple. he wanted goalscoreres on the pitch so keeps on a player who'd shown nothing in that game and played him deeper ? makes sense now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 He said he wanted 'goalscorers on the pitch'. May aswell have played 10 strikers from the off then, if it's that simple. he wanted goalscoreres on the pitch so keeps on a player who'd shown nothing in that game and played him deeper ? makes sense now. Exactly, it's flawed logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCONA Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 What is also worrying is the fact chris seems incapable of subbing nolan off never mind dropping him. that was infuriating on sunday more than at any other time. Aye, was killing me. That, still starting perch and his questionable subs has me worried for chris (and us) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Kevin-Nolan-has-slammed-critics-of-the-Newcastle-boss-Chris-Hughton-s-tactics-article589693.html Kevin Nolan has told critics of Newcaste boss Chris Hughton’s tactics to stop moaning. Home defeats to Stoke and Blackpool were caused by mistakes, not the 4-5-1 formation says the Toon skipper. “We were brilliant at Everton and nobody moaned about playing 4-5-1 then,” said Nolan. “We let sloppy goals in and suddenly the formation is being questioned. We’ve come unstuck because of two badly defended set-pieces. “The formation wasn’t the problem, the little mistakes at set-pieces were. That has to be a massive lesson for us because we can’t afford to give away sloppy goals. “There is a lot of disappointment around after the Stoke defeat, but if you defend set-pieces badly you’ll get punished in this league.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I agree Kevin, the formation is fine. You're the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 “We were brilliant at Everton and nobody moaned about playing 4-5-1 then,” said Nolan. “We let sloppy goals in and suddenly the formation is being questioned. We’ve come unstuck because of two badly defended set-pieces. “The formation wasn’t the problem, the little mistakes at set-pieces were. That has to be a massive lesson for us because we can’t afford to give away sloppy goals. “There is a lot of disappointment around after the Stoke defeat, but if you defend set-pieces badly you’ll get punished in this league.” What worries me about that diatribe is that Hughton and Nolan are both singing from the same hymn sheet. Instead of deflecting the blame onto the defending of set pieces, maybe the manager and captain could ask why Stoke were allowed to push us back into areas where we would give away free kicks in dangerous positions in the first place? Why didn't we keep a high line and press forward because their lumbering forwards were hardly going to get in behind us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 The club captain is hardly going to come out and disagree with the manager is he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 Some seem to think it's the manager who doesn't want to disagree with the club captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 I think it's just a matter of time for him now. The Journal are suggesting that CH doesn't think Ben Arfa is ready to take the playmaker role due to language barriers and not being used to the league but he may well do in the (hopefully near) future. If it doesn't keep on going well for Nolan, he'll be dropped to CM in my opinion and then he'll get found out there as well. It's all a matter of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted September 28, 2010 Share Posted September 28, 2010 It had better only be a matter of time. He needs to be on the bench by November tbf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 The club captain is hardly going to come out and disagree with the manager is he. Especially THIS club captain....! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I think it's just a matter of time for him now. The Journal are suggesting that CH doesn't think Ben Arfa is ready to take the playmaker role due to language barriers and not being used to the league but he may well do in the (hopefully near) future. If it doesn't keep on going well for Nolan, he'll be dropped to CM in my opinion and then he'll get found out there as well. It's all a matter of time. You make a fine point - the problem with that is that if Nolan is moved to central midfield in place of Barton (instead of onto the bench, or into the stands) it will be even more costly to the team than playing him in the hole. Right now Nolan's deficiencies are blunting our attack - in central midfield those deficiencies will cost us goals because of increased pressure on our defence. Having said that, am I the only person who thought he looked (marginally) better against Stoke in the middle rather than in the hole? (And my better I mean 5/10 as opposed to 4/10)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 It had better only be a matter of time. He needs to be on the bench by November tbf November? Could be too late by then to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 It had better only be a matter of time. He needs to be on the bench by November tbf November? Could be too late by then to be honest. Too late for what? A summer holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I agree Kevin, the formation is fine. You're the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 This morning I briefly wondered if he was an amatuer hypnotist who had practiced on Hughton a bit... the alternative is Hughton is blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Hughton in today's Journal re-iterates how important he thinks Nolan is to the side. He cites the fact that is was Nolan who had our best chance of an equaliser on Sunday. He misses the point though that in his last two games at home, Nolans contributions have amassed a penalty and a shanked shot that he should have buried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Interesting to see that Hughton has felt the need to specifically come out and defend Nolan. Would appear he's aware of the criticism, at least. I just hope it's a case of a manager defending his player rather than Hughton actually believing that Nolan has contributed anything of note in the last few games. I like Hughton, it would be a shame if his promise as a long term manager for us was ruined by some sort of loyalty to a shite footballer like Kevin Nolan. Fact is we'll never be anything other than a poor side as long as Kevin Nolan is a regular starter for us, and the sooner Hughton cops onto this the better for Newcastle United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Interesting to see that Hughton has felt the need to specifically come out and defend Nolan. Would appear he's aware of the criticism, at least. I just hope it's a case of a manager defending his player rather than Hughton actually believing that Nolan has contributed anything of note in the last few games. I like Hughton, it would be a shame if his promise as a long term manager for us was ruined by some sort of loyalty to a journeyman footballer like Kevin Nolan. Fact is we'll never be anything other than a poor side as long as Kevin Nolan is a regular starter for us, and the sooner Hughton cops onto this the better for Newcastle United. Does 2 clubs in an 11/12 year career (so far) constitute a 'journeyman footballer' these days?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 I was trying to come up with a nice way to describe him. Have edited my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Interesting to see that Hughton has felt the need to specifically come out and defend Nolan. Would appear he's aware of the criticism, at least. I just hope it's a case of a manager defending his player rather than Hughton actually believing that Nolan has contributed anything of note in the last few games. I like Hughton, it would be a shame if his promise as a long term manager for us was ruined by some sort of loyalty to a journeyman footballer like Kevin Nolan. Fact is we'll never be anything other than a poor side as long as Kevin Nolan is a regular starter for us, and the sooner Hughton cops onto this the better for Newcastle United. Nae offence Shak, but you should stick to the NFL threads if this is the type of analysis and contribution you bring to the football threads If you like Hughton, then give him chance to prove his judgement, no matter how wild it seems to the armchair supporters on here, is actually beneficial for NUFC. I though the knee-jerk chopping and changing had gone out when we got relegated? Hughton has built his team through consistency and allowing players to grow into the team. I'm not a massive fan of people banging on for change, when it's often for changes sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Interesting to see that Hughton has felt the need to specifically come out and defend Nolan. Would appear he's aware of the criticism, at least. I just hope it's a case of a manager defending his player rather than Hughton actually believing that Nolan has contributed anything of note in the last few games. I like Hughton, it would be a shame if his promise as a long term manager for us was ruined by some sort of loyalty to a journeyman footballer like Kevin Nolan. Fact is we'll never be anything other than a poor side as long as Kevin Nolan is a regular starter for us, and the sooner Hughton cops onto this the better for Newcastle United. Nae offence Shak, but you should stick to the NFL threads if this is the type of analysis and contribution you bring to the football threads If you like Hughton, then give him chance to prove his judgement, no matter how wild it seems to the armchair supporters on here, is actually beneficial for NUFC. I though the knee-jerk chopping and changing had gone out when we got relegated? Hughton has built his team through consistency and allowing players to grow into the team. I'm not a massive fan of people banging on for change, when it's often for changes sake. In this case it's calling for change because change is desperately needed, Kevin Nolan is holding us back at the moment. He needs to be benched as soon as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 2 Wins, 1 Draw, 3 Defeats from our opening 6 games, which has included 2 away trips to the NW (historically, 0pts) and a trip to Molineux (historically, a shithole). All this from a newly promoted club, who had zero capital outlay over the transfer window. IMO, the team is performing quite well but needs to find some consistency. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 29, 2010 Share Posted September 29, 2010 Aye, we're not doing that badly, if Perch hadn'y headed into his own net against Stoke half of the negative posts wouldn't be happening. That said, it's a fact that Nolan is awful and should be replaced by Ben Arfa right now if not sooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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