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I would keep him as a squad player under a manager who knows that's his role.

 

I'd tend to agree with you Ian, especially if we do end up being relegated, I think his experience from last time round would help us immensely. Plus he's one of the very few positive influences in the team, you can't buy that.

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Can't see any kind of deal being done unfortunately. I'd like him to stay around the place in some capacity, not sure on his coaching credentials but he's obviously very popular and can be a positive influence in the dressing room.

 

Edit: talking about a non playing role for him, though he likely wants to play on

 

Sadly I agree.

I'd keep him on as a player tbh, more than capable of being backup - would you rather have Jonas on the bench or Obertan/Gouf/Sammy?

 

I'd rather replace them but I guess we know they'll be the alternatives. We rarely seem to sell and replace a player because they're poor, just cling onto the shit like Obertan because they're worthless.

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People forgetting how bad Jonas is at actual football again

 

In an ideal world he'd be replaced with someone much better, but we all know this isn't an ideal world, it's Ashley's world and he's never going to replace all the dross we have at the moment. With that in mind, even though his best days are over, he is much higher up the pecking order imo than a lot of the other dross we have.

 

I can't speak for everyone but I'm not saying keep him at all costs, more that he should be kept over other players if not just for the fact he has some pride in NUFC and is a positive influence, unlike his fellow cunt-ry man Colo.

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I'm not sure about anyone else but regardless of what a nice fella he is he shouldn't be playing for us period.

 

Shola is a nice chap and all but I don't want him anywhere fucking near us.

 

All Jonas and his great dressing room influence has got us is a relegation dogfight. Let's not forget his best mate is captain coward who has been wonderful for the dressing room.

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No issues at all with keeping him on for a very specific role - coming on as sub when winning to relieve pressure in central midfield by hassling and harrying and winning freekicks. In-game management and nowt else. May be useful cover for freak injury/suspension situations, but I don't think overall his wages would justify it. Needs to be under an actual football manager though.

 

Having said that, in terms of how we treated him during his ordeal, I wouldn't begrudge him a 2 year contract extension from a "human" point of view.

 

I would absolutely LOVE for him to somehow score before the end of the season. I would genuinely celebrate my ass off like we've won something. What a big FUCK YOU that would be to a horrible disease.

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People forgetting how bad our squad is again.

 

And the fact there's a reason Jonas has 6 goals in about 150 Premier League games. When it comes to kicking a football he's not very good.

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Saw his missus in the paper for the first time yesterday - done well for himself!

I reckon any of us on here could do well for ourselves with 2 million a year (minimum) salaries... If that failed to attract them you could go out and pay for it to your hearts content :)

Back on the Jonas topic, his only position should be a back up one for left back or centre midfield at moment. great bloke but lost his legs a couple fo years back.

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I would keep him as a squad player under a manager who knows that's his role.

 

I wouldn't. These squad players keep ending up starting games for us so I would rather get rid. Paul Dummett is considered a clogger by most people's standards but he can cross a ball better than Jonas.

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He's not a winger really. We've had better players in CM so it knocked that on the head really. If ran properly he'd be a great squad player as the other positions would be adequately filled. As it is, the likes of Jonas are ever present and ineffectual.

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http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/jonas-gutierrez-players-to-blame-for-newcastle-mess-not-john-carver-1-7275410

 

Jonas Gutierrez says the players must take responsibility for Newcastle United’s plight – and fight to the last whistle to keep the club in the Premier League.

 

Gutierrez and his team-mates take on West Ham United tomorrow knowing only a win would guarantee top-flight survival.

 

John (Carver) gives us the education to get the points. Then, on the pitch, we have to take responsibility for what is going on. Now we have to be together.

Jonas Gutierrez

Newcastle, however, have taken just one point from a possible 30.

 

And last weekend’s 2-1 defeat to relegated Queens Park Rangers at Loftus Road, and Sunderland’s midweek draw at Arsenal, seemingly edged the club closer to the relegation trapdoor.

 

Head coach John Carver has come under fire from angry fans given the injury and suspension-hit team’s sorry record in recent months.

 

But Gutierrez – who experienced the pain of relegation with United in 2009 – says Carver can only do so much on the training field.

 

And he insists the responsibility for results, ultimately, lies at the door of the players.

 

“We are the players on the pitch – we try to do the best,” said Gutierrez.

 

“John gives us the education to get the points. Then, on the pitch, we have to take responsibility for what is going on. Now we have to be together.”

 

Carver, speaking ahead of the West Ham game, implored the club’s supporters to put their differences with him and owner Mike Ashley to one side for 90 minutes at St James’s Park.

 

He said there would be an “inquest” into this season’s failings once the last ball has been kicked.

 

However, Gutierrez – who made an inspirational return to the field earlier this year after being given the all-clear following treatment for testicular cancer in his native Argentina, says now is NOT the time to apportion blame.

 

“I don’t like to think who is at fault,” he said.

 

“We are the players that are on the pitch, and we have to think what we’re doing wrong and to change it.

 

“We have just one week, and we have to be focused.”

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No issues at all with keeping him on for a very specific role - coming on as sub when winning to relieve pressure in central midfield by hassling and harrying and winning freekicks. In-game management and nowt else. May be useful cover for freak injury/suspension situations, but I don't think overall his wages would justify it. Needs to be under an actual football manager though.

 

Having said that, in terms of how we treated him during his ordeal, I wouldn't begrudge him a 2 year contract extension from a "human" point of view.

 

I would absolutely LOVE for him to somehow score before the end of the season. I would genuinely celebrate my ass off like we've won something. What a big f*** YOU that would be to a horrible disease.

 

:indi: :indi: :indi:

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