Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Is there any history of Ashley just cutting his losses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 We didn't have Remy for that period, only had Sissoko & Gouffran for 4 months, and from memory Jonas was filling in for the likes of Cabaye in midfield when he was injured, left-back for the derby, etc. Just seems a dangerous precedent imo. If I'm honest; I feel like everyone has it in for Ashley at present and each little story such as this is another chink in his armour. Had this been at a club like Norwich he probably wouldn't have won. It seems the details above probably weren't considered and / or weren't sufficient to question his availability or selection. It is a dangerous precedent but I'm chuffed he won. He was a top professional and is a top bloke. A player I was proud to have representing us as fans, as he quite clearly gets it. Far more than 99% of the current shower. You only have to see the stories coming out of SD HQ about how he treats his staff there to see that it is quite credible that NUFC under his ownership would behave in this way. The club certainly don't promote themselves as caring club. Compare their treatment of Jonas to that of Petrov at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The tribunal seems to look at the point that the club didn't make any adjustments to the clause when he was ill. Therefore he had less games to achieve the required games so was discriminated against cos of his disability. Plus the fact that it was clearly discussed between the managers and Charnley so all looks a little underhand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The tribunal seems to look at the point that the club didn't make any adjustments to the clause when he was ill. Therefore he had less games to achieve the required games so was discriminated against cos of his disability. Plus the fact that it was clearly discussed between the managers and Charnley so all looks a little underhand. It makes you wonder if the board had any other influence on potential selections into the team based on player clauses etc. I'm not saying I had total trust in them, but it now brings serious questions about the leadership behind the club and that morals lie beneath finances. I don't disagree that Jonas performances could be infuriating and I wasn't that bothered when he went to Norwich as I felt we had better players, but you couldn't fault his effort. Given the situation he faced to still deliver some of the performances he did highlights his professionalism and the type of guy he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Charnley the sneaky fuck. How such an inept retard got a gig like that is laughable. After reading that I hope we fucking go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The tribunal seems to look at the point that the club didn't make any adjustments to the clause when he was ill. Therefore he had less games to achieve the required games so was discriminated against cos of his disability. Plus the fact that it was clearly discussed between the managers and Charnley so all looks a little underhand. It makes you wonder if the board had any other influence on potential selections into the team based on player clauses etc. I'm not saying I had total trust in them, but it now brings serious questions about the leadership behind the club and that morals lie beneath finances. I don't disagree that Jonas performances could be infuriating and I wasn't that bothered when he went to Norwich as I felt we had better players, but you couldn't fault his effort. Given the situation he faced to still deliver some of the performances he did highlights his professionalism and the type of guy he is. With the benefit of hindsight you have to wonder how much his performances were affected by his illness before it was diagnosed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Tribunals just aren't our thing, are they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Tribunals just aren't our thing, are they? winning in general isnt tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Tribunals just aren't our thing, are they? winning in general isnt tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Well done Jonas. Lovely man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Best result of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Jonas Gutierrez @elgalgojonas 11m11 minutes ago I am a geordie i love newcastle .thanks to The fans. Board you understand what it means that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Stick it to them bonnie Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 As a person he's fucking A1, like. No question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Is there any history of Ashley just cutting his losses? His throat would be more preferable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Charnley the sneaky fuck. How such an inept retard got a gig like that is laughable. After reading that I hope we fucking go down. If we hadn't hired Benitez I'd be back to wanting us to get dicked every game till the end of the season a la Pardew '14. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 In August 2013, Newcastle's doctor club advised that Gutierrez, who was recovering from a hamstring injury, should be picked as a substitute "at the very most". Pardew had picked Gutierrez to play and told the hearing that he "did not understand" the doctor's advice, a claim the tribunal considered "improbable". Pardew was dismissive of the doctor's notes in Gutierrez's medical record, which read: "Somehow managed to start game against Manchester City. Managers decision, against medical advice." Not like Pardew to start players who are barely fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 I cannot help but feel this is not just a victory for Jonas, but for employees of S***** D*****, Newcastle United fans, and previous players / managers of NUFC who have spoke out against the club. People on my FB falling on the clubs side on this one and I really don't get how or why. It's almost as though Ashley can do no wrong too with discussions I've had previously. Sure it's just for the craic to wind people up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 The tribunal has now given its decision in the case brought against the Club by Jonas Gutierrez. It found for him on two of the four heads of claim. We recognise that the task facing the tribunal was a difficult one, but we are dismayed by its decision. We will now take time to consider the judgement in full and consult with our legal team to understand the options available to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 It's like the club think they are the victim here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Every time they fail: 'the task facing us was a difficult one'. You can guarantee we'll hear that one again at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Keith Bishop will be all over the PR for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 Every time they fail: 'the task facing us was a difficult one'. You can guarantee we'll hear that one again at the end of the season. Also they don't want to discuss the mistakes they've made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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