Chrisjraby Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 We rely on his defensive capabilities far too much for him to be used effectively going forward. Ben Arfa roams around and makes things happen so we tend to accept him not tracking back, as it seems like he's not expected to defend all the time. With Jonas his tracking back to help out the defence is a big asset, so we can't afford to lose out on it by allowing him to steam forward. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we looked at a new left sided player in the future and tried to fully transition Jonas into a centre midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 The amount of possibilities with this set of players should really be about how versatile and unexpected we can be. Not how one dimensional and predictable we are. We've had loads of players playing in different positions and nothing has looked good. I know a lot of us are really pro 4231/433, but despite not playing that, I now think that if we did we still wouldn't look all that good purely because of our players' form and our general lack of movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted October 31, 2012 Share Posted October 31, 2012 Aye, lack of movement or lack of running off the ball is what does my head in most. Whether it is that they are told to hold certain strategic positions on the pitch or they just don't train well enough to do it.... No idea! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 From BBC Sport Jonas Gutierrez: Newcastle United are a marked side Newcastle United's Jonas Gutierrez says teams have changed their approach to stop key players such as Demba Ba, Yohan Cabaye and Papiss Demba Cisse. The trio were pivotal to the Magpies' European qualification last season, with strikers Ba and Cisse scoring a combined 29 goals in the top flight. "Teams know us more than they did last year. They know the way we play," Gutierrez told BBC Newcastle. "For players that come in it's always difficult in the second season." Gutierrez on Europe "The fans like the competition, we as players feel the same, we always want to win and play every game in the Newcastle shirt. "It's a really good competition for us, we've had to enjoy and do our best, because we never know if we get through the group stage then we never know who we play against. "The most important thing is to get through the group stage, and then see what happens." Last season's start was vital to a Premier League tally of 19 wins in 38 games, after Pardew's side went unbeaten in the first 14 matches in all competitions. The fifth-placed finish last season brought European football to Tyneside, and Newcastle's progress so far has added five additional games to the schedule. "Maybe we are not at the same level last year in the league but we have another competition now, and it's always difficult," Gutierrez added. "Teams who aren't normally playing in Europe and don't have a big squad can find it difficult to play in an extra competition. "It's our first year, it's something new, but the whole team is thinking about that and trying to enjoy it, everyone wants to play. But it's made the beginning of the season tougher. "This season [in the Premier League] we have picked up good points against teams we've played this year, we know we lost against Manchester United and Chelsea. "The win against West Bromwich Albion last weekend was really important to take the points at home." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Showing some movement could make it a tiny bit harder for the other teams..naah im probably just talking nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 The amount of possibilities with this set of players should really be about how versatile and unexpected we can be. Not how one dimensional and predictable we are. We've had loads of players playing in different positions and nothing has looked good. I know a lot of us are really pro 4231/433, but despite not playing that, I now think that if we did we still wouldn't look all that good purely because of our players' form and our general lack of movement. Excellent post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Irritating that the Europa League excuse has rubbed off on the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Irritating that the Europa League excuse has rubbed off on the players. Especially as Jonas hasn't played in the bloody thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 1, 2012 Share Posted November 1, 2012 Irritating that the Europa League excuse has rubbed off on the players. Especially as Jonas hasn't played in the bloody thing. Pulling the party Pardy line. Very feeble excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 He's a valuable player in our squad, vital at times but there is a time and a place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121102/fancy-a-flutter-against-liverpool_2281670_2967997 Jonas in that picture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20121102/fancy-a-flutter-against-liverpool_2281670_2967997 Jonas in that picture :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Ren Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 It's a strange one, his position is LW and quite often had bursts of energy to cause problems to any defence and had actually improving his crossing with his left foot then we decide to play him narrow in the middle becoming the new Alan Smith. He needs to get back on that wing pronto, perform or be replaced by either fergie or sammy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Looks like a gay raptor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Interesting read. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20166941 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 Yellow away from a ban isn't he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Is that wishful thinking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Yellow away from a ban isn't he? Yep booked against Villa, Reading, Man United and West Brom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Is that wishful thinking? Not at all, I think Jonas is one of the key first teamers but I think he has took his place for granted and needs his position challenged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 We're going nowhere fast if he's still a key player. Obviously he can be useful in certain games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Games like today he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. It pisses me off to see him starting at home against the also-ran teams/relegation fodder, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Games like today he should be one of the first names on the teamsheet. It pisses me off to see him starting at home against the also-ran teams/relegation fodder, though. Agree. Man Utd did it with Park for example - played in the big games against the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal or in the CL - when you needed the workrate. We should really be doing the same with Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Surely you'd rather have someone with better quality than Jonas though for the bigger games and play him against teams more his level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Surely you'd rather have someone with better quality than Jonas though for the bigger games and play him against teams more his level? You mean get relegated again? No thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 Interesting how opinions change, the majority were delighted when he signed a new contract. Now everyone wants him dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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