Infinitely Content Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Favourite doesn't mean best either. I'd have Ben Arfa and Ginola ahead of Solano and Robert in terms of enjoyment, but that doesn't mean that I think they were better for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Solano's probably my favourite and I still to this day couldn't tell you why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Yeah Nobby is right up there for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 He was class. He could strike a free kick or a cross so sweetly, man. Up there with Beckham in that regard, possibly better (on the crossing part at least). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 He was class. He could strike a free kick or a cross so sweetly, man. Up there with Beckham in that regard, possibly better (on the crossing part at least). I dont think so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. I take it you haven heard the story of when Shearer outskilled Ginola the lashes the ball into the top corner and said he doesn’t need to use those skills. Shearer was clearly 1000 times more gifted than HBA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. I take it you haven heard the story of when Shearer outskilled Ginola the lashes the ball into the top corner and said he doesn’t need to use those skills. Shearer was clearly 1000 times more gifted than HBA Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. I take it you haven heard the story of when Shearer outskilled Ginola the lashes the ball into the top corner and said he doesn’t need to use those skills. Shearer was clearly 1000 times more gifted than HBA I worship Big Al as the next toon fan, but HBA is football personified. Magic. That feeling of unadultarated lust you feel at 1:59AM before last call for whomever is in the vicinity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. I take it you haven heard the story of when Shearer outskilled Ginola the lashes the ball into the top corner and said he doesn’t need to use those skills. Shearer was clearly 1000 times more gifted than HBA I worship Big Al as the next toon fan, but HBA is football personified. Magic. That feeling of unadultarated lust you feel at 1:59AM before last call for whomever is in the vicinity. What codswallop. Shearer was in 1996 clearly amongst the top 3 most talented players in the world. Ben Arfa has never even broken the top 100 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Why even bother? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Fair enough, I still reckon Ben Arfa is the most gifted of the three, and if he worked as hard as the Given & Shearer did to reach their potential he would have been a world class player, alas he's 'wasted' his talent through non-application and an unprofessional attitude. I take it you haven heard the story of when Shearer outskilled Ginola the lashes the ball into the top corner and said he doesn’t need to use those skills. Shearer was clearly 1000 times more gifted than HBA f*** off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 If talent alone was the most decisive factor in football, then we wouldn't have cloggers like Cattermole and Colback. Clearly talent mean fuck all (unless, when you retire, play beach football or something like that) if you're not smart when working hard on honing your attributes. Great achievements or great ability is mostly down to determination, hard and smart work, knowledge, persistence, etc. I'd say talent is only about 10-20%. Hence why someone like HBA failed in realising his potential. Because he certainly didn't come across as hard working, smart or determined. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 everytime i see this thread near the top of the page, my mind thinks that he's joined us on a free transfer to replace the current shite that we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Ben Arfa the better footballer, Shearer the better centre-forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 The story about Shearer doing amazing tricks with a ball is true, Ginola and Asprilla couldn’t believe it. Apparently after doing his tricks he hoofed the ball have it Peter Kay style then walked off into the sunset whistling Blaydon Races. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Very reductionist way of looking at it. It's myriad factors. I doubt Cattermole is smart (smashed up cars in a city centre) Determined or hard working. The fact is there wont be players like him getting scouted now, he's a relic of a forgotten era. There will eb numerous hard working talented players that were overlooked by poor scouting, opportunity, parental factors, socio economic factors. It's not as simple as work hard and you'll get there. Not at all. Eh? All I was saying is that talent alone is, most of the time, not enough to accomplish your achievements. I was simply linking the most two "dominating" factors in general, which are talent and the mental attributes that I mentioned. I fully realise that there are other variables that would prevent someone reaching their potential, but did you really expect me to name all of them??! If anything, it's the HBA fanboys/cryboys club members that always go on about the one thing, his talent, but rarely mention about the other factors that fucked up his career here. (Apart from Pardew, of course.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Solano's probably my favourite and I still to this day couldn't tell you why. Because he was an absolute joy to watch. Ginola/Gascoigne/Beardsley, with the ball; Speed/Watson/Clark, without. First time I saw him play (reserves, high-up in an empty SJP) I was breathless (not just from climb). His range of passing—to perceive the space/chance and to be able to execute the pass—just exquisite. Plus he always seemed so humble and fuck me, the fella could sweat!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 i knew a small number slated him for leaving but for me he had nowt to apologise for. but watching that interview during our takeover and also watching him barely able to stop smiling on amazon prime, desperate to hug eddie etc.....this lad is truly one of us and a true legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Was so upset at the time when he left as I absolutely idolised him as a youngin. I'm overjoyed he still likes the toon and his memory of us wasn't totally soiled by that experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, huss9 said: i knew a small number slated him for leaving but for me he had nowt to apologise for. but watching that interview during our takeover and also watching him barely able to stop smiling on amazon prime, desperate to hug eddie etc.....this lad is truly one of us and a true legend. One of the very first victims of Mike Ashley’s New World Disorder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Aye, yesterday's coverage was an absolute joy because of him. Probably unbearable for the neutrals, or Leicester fans, but fuck it. He saw the writing on the wall when he left and won an FA Cup with Man City. Can't knock him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 1 minute ago, huss9 said: i knew a small number slated him for leaving but for me he had nowt to apologise for. but watching that interview during our takeover and also watching him barely able to stop smiling on amazon prime, desperate to hug eddie etc.....this lad is truly one of us and a true legend. I think the ownership of Ashley had clouded a lot of peoples views at the time. Ashley wasn't willing to run NUFC the same way as previous owners or how football clubs in general were being "run". As I understand it, a club came in for Given and offered XYZ, Ashley and his "management team" wouldn't match it with a new contract and told him to put a transfer request in if he wanted that kind of money. Forced Given's hand and he moved for pennies in my opinion. Look at all the club legends and players the Ashley era had messed about or pissed off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Love Given like. Just full on openly being a fan whilst live doing punditry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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