Alan Pardew

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

[oldtype]

Those quotes do look quite grim when put all together in one post.

 

I slowly feel that after several months on the "cautiously optimistic" side of things that my emotional pendulum might have begun to shift in the other direction.

 

I really am a fickle, emotional football fan, just like everyone else.

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

[Unbelievable]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

 

I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off..

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

 

I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off..

 

It's not accepting mediocrity, it's simply being realistic.

 

The best we can hope for is a Uefa cup place and a good shot at one of the cups, if you think we're ever going to have a shot at the CL without massive outside investment anytime in the foreseeable future then you're completely deluding yourself.

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

 

Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..):

 

Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport:

 

“Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.”

 

“QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.”

 

“There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.”

 

“Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.”

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

 

Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..):

 

Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport:

 

“Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.”

 

“QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.”

 

“There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.”

 

“Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.”

 

He was already out the door at QPR by then, he doesn't say that he has to shift him on to be able to bring other players in either, just that we should aim for better.

 

Where are these quotes that apparently happen all of the time when a manager says he's told players they have no future at the club and depending on them leaving he will be able to bring in replacements?

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

 

Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..):

 

Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport:

 

“Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.”

 

“QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.”

 

“There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.”

 

“Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.”

 

He was already out the door at QPR by then, he doesn't say that he has to shift him on to be able to bring other players in either, just that we should aim for better.

 

Where are these quotes that apparently happen all of the time when a manager says he's told players they have no future at the club and depending on them leaving he will be able to bring in replacements?

 

Fo f***'s sake Baggio, I think you've completely lost what you were trying to say and are now just arguing for the sake of it..

 

I said:

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

 

Note, I did not argue that the club needs to shift deadwood. You did this yourself, when you said:

 

Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad.

 

Anyway, Thomas replied to my point about the club having an option to be up front about it if they felt the needed to sell before they buy (something I do not agree with, but you seemingly do):

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."

 

And I phrased it in a way that would be not too disrespectful to the players involved (especially if they had been told internally before) and would clarify such a course of action to the fans (again: I would personally not condone such a course of action, so all hypothetical as far as I am concerned. I was just arguing your corner for a second, which you seem to have overlooked).

 

To which you replied:

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

I then retorted:

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time

 

That's when you decided to go all POIDH on me, and I showed you proof, first by giving you millions of links to articles of players who had been told (reportedly) they didn't have a future at the club, and then when you still failed to grasp my point, by pointing to a recent real case example from within our own club. This was a statement from our very own manager concerning one of our very own players (which he still is; the fact the quotes were after he left on loan to QPR (how respectful btw; what was he trying to achieve?) does not change the fact Routledge is still on our books and has been told he is surplus to requirements, not in a private meeting, but on national radio no less). I have not said that this is often said in combination with a 25 man squad argument, or a sell before buy announcement, because it isn't. Nor have I argued the statement would normally come directly from the manager, or be an official press release from a club. I was asked how Pardew could have politically phrased such an argument if he wanted to (once again: your/his argument, not mine!) and I did. Now you are trying to make it look like I am the one advocating your ridiculous statement and then scorn me for it..? Great tactic if it wasn't so logically flawed.

 

 

Or, to make a longs story short: you said this yourself, which is the very same point you are arguing with me over now..:

 

We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on.

 

[Elliottman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

[Unbelievable]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

[Elliottman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

[Dr Venkman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

i'll give you a start. the team hasnt played since last season, debate is all we have

[Unbelievable]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

[Elliottman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

i'll give you a start. the team hasnt played since last season, debate is all we have

 

Shouldve added on paper.

[Mick]

I'm going to wait until the transfer window is closed before deciding whether we've done enough or not.  It will be interesting to see where players like N'Zogbia and Sturridge end up if they do move and how much they go for.  I'd be more than satisfied with the window if we brought them two in.  I'll be seriously pissed off if they both move on for reasonable fees and wages and we haven't tried for them.

 

I couldn’t care if we do or don’t spend the Carroll money, that only comes into play if we haven’t spent it and we’re still short of the players that we need.  If we’re just looking for players because they are cheap and don’t strengthen because we won’t spend then I’ll have something to moan about.  For now, it’s not worth getting too upset because anything could happen.  If we’re to spend all of the incoming transfer fees on incoming players then it’s more than £35 million anyway as we saved on Carroll’s wages and we’ve sold Nolan and saved his wages which will pay for Cabaye.  We should look on his transfer as self financed by the Nolan sale so we still have £35 million minus Ba and Marveaux.

 

As for Pardew, he's a gobshite so anything he says should be taken with a large pinch of salt.

 

[David28]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

 

I agree with that tbh.

 

Saying that, I was happy if the window closed yesterday. Keeping Jonas, Coloccini, Jose and Barton would make me happy.

 

Of course, one or two more players would be important but I can't see us signing too many more without losing the players I've named.

[biggs]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

Try telling that to Birmingham 

[Elliottman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

 

 

Well, Ba For Carroll. Yes, Carroll was unstoppable for us first half of last season. Got to remember he missed a lot of the 2nd half through injury. How many games would we have got out of him? Ba's record was/is very good. So we've lost a good player, but replaced him with one.

 

Campbell - essential? Come on. He was shocking all but 1 game for us. He's finished.

 

As for Nolan, from a playing perspective, i didnt shed any tears to see him go. If Cabaye is the footballer he is made out to be, we will be a lot more mobile in the middle next year and hopefull Tiote wont have to do the running of to men.

 

Add to that the return of Ben Arfa, Meaveux, Gosling and potentially Vuckic, i'd say (on paper) we looking stronger. Just lack a little depth.

 

Again, there is still two months to go before the window ends too.

 

I just dont get all the doom and gloom. I for one, cant wait for the new season.

[NEEJ]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

Since when did Campbell qualify as essential cover? He was fucking shocking man.

[alpal78]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

Since when did Campbell qualify as essential cover? He was f***ing shocking man.

 

The same people who were moaning about Campbell being useless and Nolan panting after 50 minutes are now moaning that we've sold them....how ironic. I want a few more players in especially a top notch striker and right winger, but I'm happy so far

[Unbelievable]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

 

 

Well, Ba For Carroll. Yes, Carroll was unstoppable for us first half of last season. Got to remember he missed a lot of the 2nd half through injury. How many games would we have got out of him? Ba's record was/is very good. So we've lost a good player, but replaced him with one.

 

Campbell - essential? Come on. He was shocking all but 1 game for us. He's finished.

 

As for Nolan, from a playing perspective, i didnt shed any tears to see him go. If Cabaye is the footballer he is made out to be, we will be a lot more mobile in the middle next year and hopefull Tiote wont have to do the running of to men.

 

Add to that the return of Ben Arfa, Meaveux, Gosling and potentially Vuckic, i'd say (on paper) we looking stronger. Just lack a little depth.

 

Again, there is still two months to go before the window ends too.

 

I just dont get all the doom and gloom. I for one, cant wait for the new season.

 

How much Carroll played second half of last season is irrelevant to whether we have become stronger in the striker department since the start of last season. Surely you understand that?

 

Campbell was essential cover, not because he was an excellent option, but because by letting him go we now have no cover if anything happens to Colo, Williamson or Taylor. It does not take John Terry to replace him but since he's gone and we've not got anybody else in to step up when injuries hit us in central defense, we've gone backwards in this area. Surely this is no too complicated?

 

Ben Arfa and Vuckic were here last season and both were fit to play, so they are irrelevant in a comparison. I will give you Gosling, even though it is entirely unsure after nearly 2 years on the sidelines he will ever fulfill his potential with us. Anyway, I already conceded so far we look slightly stronger in midfield than at the start of last season, but we have gone backwards in defense and attack.

 

The two months we still have are irrelevant to the argument as you yourself stated:

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last

 

Which I demonstrated to you is very debatable.

 

 

Even then, if you are happy to be optimistic about the possible incomings in the next two months, surely you will permit me to be cautious with respect to possible outgoings. After all, we all know what is likely to happen if decent bids come in for Barton, Enrique and even the likes of Colo, Jonas and Tiote.

[Unbelievable]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

Since when did Campbell qualify as essential cover? He was f***ing shocking man.

 

The same people who were moaning about Campbell being useless and Nolan panting after 50 minutes are now moaning that we've sold them....how ironic. I want a few more players in especially a top notch striker and right winger, but I'm happy so far

 

See above. He was essential cover because we are now left with only 3 centre backs. If one of them is injured, then what?

[Dr Venkman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

Since when did Campbell qualify as essential cover? He was f***ing shocking man.

 

The same people who were moaning about Campbell being useless and Nolan panting after 50 minutes are now moaning that we've sold them....how ironic. I want a few more players in especially a top notch striker and right winger, but I'm happy so far

 

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[Elliottman]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

 

 

Well, Ba For Carroll. Yes, Carroll was unstoppable for us first half of last season. Got to remember he missed a lot of the 2nd half through injury. How many games would we have got out of him? Ba's record was/is very good. So we've lost a good player, but replaced him with one.

 

Campbell - essential? Come on. He was shocking all but 1 game for us. He's finished.

 

As for Nolan, from a playing perspective, i didnt shed any tears to see him go. If Cabaye is the footballer he is made out to be, we will be a lot more mobile in the middle next year and hopefull Tiote wont have to do the running of to men.

 

Add to that the return of Ben Arfa, Meaveux, Gosling and potentially Vuckic, i'd say (on paper) we looking stronger. Just lack a little depth.

 

Again, there is still two months to go before the window ends too.

 

I just dont get all the doom and gloom. I for one, cant wait for the new season.

 

How much Carroll played second half of last season is irrelevant to whether we have become stronger in the striker department since the start of last season. Surely you understand that?

 

Campbell was essential cover, not because he was an excellent option, but because by letting him go we now have no cover if anything happens to Colo, Williamson or Taylor. It does not take John Terry to replace him but since he's gone and we've not got anybody else in to step up when injuries hit us in central defense, we've gone backwards in this area. Surely this is no too complicated?

 

Ben Arfa and Vuckic were here last season and both were fit to play, so they are irrelevant in a comparison. I will give you Gosling, even though it is entirely unsure after nearly 2 years on the sidelines he will ever fulfill his potential with us. Anyway, I already conceded so far we look slightly stronger in midfield than at the start of last season, but we have gone backwards in defense and attack.

 

The two months we still have are irrelevant to the argument as you yourself stated:

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last

 

Which I demonstrated to you is very debatable.

 

 

Even then, if you are happy to be optimistic about the possible incomings in the next two months, surely you will permit me to be cautious with respect to possible outgoings. After all, we all know what is likely to happen if decent bids come in for Barton, Enrique and even the likes of Colo, Jonas and Tiote.

 

We clearly have different opinions, however, Ben Arfa and Vuckic were fit to play???

 

If we are talking about 'as it stands' Then Barton, Enrique etc havent been sold.

 

We managed half a season without Carroll, so maybe we are weaker up top than we were the first half of last season, however we are stronger than the second.

 

Again, as it stands, imo, we are stronger than we ended last season.

[Unbelievable]

Its such a shame that, instead of looking forward to looking forward to the new season, there is so much doom and gloom.

 

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last. Yes, there is a lack of quaility outside the first 11, but lets be excited about what we do have. Our first 11 looks VERY exciting.

 

Really tiring reading so many depressing posts based on the back of a couple of Padrew quotes.

 

Whether we are currently stronger than we started last season is very debatable..

 

How exactly?

 

We have lost Carroll and have replaced him with Ba. I don't think that constitutes progress, do you?

 

We have lost Nolan, our club captain and goal scorer and replaced him with Cabaye, who looks promising but is a bit of an unknown quantity. Let's call it evens.

 

We have lost Campbell (essential cover at centre back) and got Marveaux (cover for wings with first team potential but also massive crock potential).

 

All in all we haven't done too badly, but we've gone backwards in attack and defense, and (hopefully) improved in midfield. We have also not spent any major transfer funds. As I have argued before, I am relatively happy so far, but don't come and tell me you are happy if this is how the window closes..?

 

 

Well, Ba For Carroll. Yes, Carroll was unstoppable for us first half of last season. Got to remember he missed a lot of the 2nd half through injury. How many games would we have got out of him? Ba's record was/is very good. So we've lost a good player, but replaced him with one.

 

Campbell - essential? Come on. He was shocking all but 1 game for us. He's finished.

 

As for Nolan, from a playing perspective, i didnt shed any tears to see him go. If Cabaye is the footballer he is made out to be, we will be a lot more mobile in the middle next year and hopefull Tiote wont have to do the running of to men.

 

Add to that the return of Ben Arfa, Meaveux, Gosling and potentially Vuckic, i'd say (on paper) we looking stronger. Just lack a little depth.

 

Again, there is still two months to go before the window ends too.

 

I just dont get all the doom and gloom. I for one, cant wait for the new season.

 

How much Carroll played second half of last season is irrelevant to whether we have become stronger in the striker department since the start of last season. Surely you understand that?

 

Campbell was essential cover, not because he was an excellent option, but because by letting him go we now have no cover if anything happens to Colo, Williamson or Taylor. It does not take John Terry to replace him but since he's gone and we've not got anybody else in to step up when injuries hit us in central defense, we've gone backwards in this area. Surely this is no too complicated?

 

Ben Arfa and Vuckic were here last season and both were fit to play, so they are irrelevant in a comparison. I will give you Gosling, even though it is entirely unsure after nearly 2 years on the sidelines he will ever fulfill his potential with us. Anyway, I already conceded so far we look slightly stronger in midfield than at the start of last season, but we have gone backwards in defense and attack.

 

The two months we still have are irrelevant to the argument as you yourself stated:

We are clearly in a stronger position than we ended last

 

Which I demonstrated to you is very debatable.

 

 

Even then, if you are happy to be optimistic about the possible incomings in the next two months, surely you will permit me to be cautious with respect to possible outgoings. After all, we all know what is likely to happen if decent bids come in for Barton, Enrique and even the likes of Colo, Jonas and Tiote.

 

We clearly have different opinions, however, Ben Arfa and Vuckic were fit to play???

 

If we are talking about 'as it stands' Then Barton, Enrique etc havent been sold.

 

We managed half a season without Carroll, so maybe we are weaker up top than we were the first half of last season, however we are stronger than the second.

 

Again, as it stands, imo, we are stronger than we ended last season.

 

Ben Arfa and Vuckic were more or less fit to play at the start of last season, weren't they?

 

I haven't excluded Barton, Enrique, etc in my comparison to the start of last season, have I?

 

So you conceed we are currently weaker up top than at the start of last season? Good. Now show me how we aren't weaker in defense and it might give your optimism a semblance of credibility.