quayside Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I think people have been far too carried away in thinking Pardew is better than he actually is and he'll be found wanting before the end of the season. That said, I don't know why people are worrying too much about our next two games when we'll probably have Coloccini back and possibly Tiote. Decisions need to be made regarding Obertan and Ryan Taylor but we need to get other players back before Taylor goes out. Obertan at the weekend will be his first big decision that he has to make. I think he's dropped some bollocks against Norwich and it's up to him to learn from them, we'll have to wait and see. If Coloccini isn't fit for the weekend then it will be interesting to see if he goes with Perch and Simpson through the middle, once is a mistake, twice would be madness. I really don't know if anyone thinks Pardew is better than he is, for me he's better than others we might have had and he's better than the man he replaced. So for my money his appointment wasn't another Ashley mistake. We'll just have to see whether he gets found out as you put it. The feature of this season thus far (Norwich apart) has been that we have picked up points in the games where we might have expected to. I can't really classify losing away at Norwich with no central defenders on the pitch as a pivotal result, but I'm well aware that some feel we should have done better. As a matter of interest if Colo and Williamson aren't fit who would you play through the middle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I really don't know if anyone thinks Pardew is better than he is, for me he's better than others we might have had and he's better than the man he replaced. So for my money his appointment wasn't another Ashley mistake. We'll just have to see whether he gets found out as you put it. The feature of this season thus far (Norwich apart) has been that we have picked up points in the games where we might have expected to. I can't really classify losing away at Norwich with no central defenders on the pitch as a pivotal result, but I'm well aware that some feel we should have done better. As a matter of interest if Colo and Williamson aren't fit who would you play through the middle? He being better than the man he replaced is debatable, as for who I would play through the middle, I'd start Kadar. We can't go back in time but it might have been a good idea to strengthen a position which was clearly weak before we'd kicked a ball in anger this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 I really don't know if anyone thinks Pardew is better than he is, for me he's better than others we might have had and he's better than the man he replaced. So for my money his appointment wasn't another Ashley mistake. We'll just have to see whether he gets found out as you put it. The feature of this season thus far (Norwich apart) has been that we have picked up points in the games where we might have expected to. I can't really classify losing away at Norwich with no central defenders on the pitch as a pivotal result, but I'm well aware that some feel we should have done better. As a matter of interest if Colo and Williamson aren't fit who would you play through the middle? He being better than the man he replaced is debatable, as for who I would play through the middle, I'd start Kadar. We can't go back in time but it might have been a good idea to strengthen a position which was clearly weak before we'd kicked a ball in anger this season. ...and all the people who were more concerned with getting another central defender instead of "splashing out on a striker" would find their concerns justified (Hi, Beren) but it didn't happen and we have to make the best of what we've got. There's no point crying over spilt milk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 He has to drop Obertan. From what I've seen of him and how comfortable he is on the ball, even Santon would be more dangerous at RM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 He has to drop Obertan. From what I've seen of him and how comfortable he is on the ball, even Santon would be more dangerous at RM. I tried that on FIFA last night, it didn't go that well. He's got the pace and strength, but lacks the close control. Not conclusive, but just putting it out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 He has to drop Obertan. From what I've seen of him and how comfortable he is on the ball, even Santon would be more dangerous at RM. When Jonas was suspended I'd have put santon in front of Raylor, double up on the wing. Still think in more difficult games this is an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Pardew met up with Toon owner Mike Ashley yesterday – the second time inside a week the pair have held discussions ahead of the transfer window. Sochaux striker Modibo Maiga is expected to complete his move to Tyneside in the first week of the New Year and with Steven Taylor ruled out for the season, Pardew wants to recruit at least one defender. “There’s certainly one player who will be coming in and we’re hoping for two,” he said. “Mike is very focused on what a great season we’re having.” Hopefully that's the 'let's push on' kind of focus and not the 'who can we sell' kind of focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 For me, we need two defenders. Of course that is FAR too expensive and too much to ask for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Pardew met up with Toon owner Mike Ashley yesterday – the second time inside a week the pair have held discussions ahead of the transfer window. Sochaux striker Modibo Maiga is expected to complete his move to Tyneside in the first week of the New Year and with Steven Taylor ruled out for the season, Pardew wants to recruit at least one defender. “There’s certainly one player who will be coming in and we’re hoping for two,” he said. “Mike is very focused on what a great season we’re having.” Hopefully that's the 'let's push on' kind of focus and not the 'who can we sell' kind of focus. Don't really know how I came to this conclusion but pretty confident it's the former. Like I've said before, just have a feeling we won't sell anyone in January (summer is another matter though). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 we all know if another club panics like Liverpool did and bids way over value, we'll sell anyone at any time. credit where it's due though, we've already tied up a new signing for january and i hope it's a sign of things to come in that we'll pursue targets in following windows (once we've unsettled them by bidding ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 It's more Ashley's style to build up hope before he does something stupid. We're EXPECTING to sell someone, therefore we won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 we all know if another club panics like Liverpool did and bids way over value, we'll sell anyone at any time. credit where it's due though, we've already tied up a new signing for january and i hope it's a sign of things to come in that we'll pursue targets in following windows (once we've unsettled them by bidding ) as will practically everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 we all know if another club panics like Liverpool did and bids way over value, we'll sell anyone at any time. credit where it's due though, we've already tied up a new signing for january and i hope it's a sign of things to come in that we'll pursue targets in following windows (once we've unsettled them by bidding ) Was wondering who jinxed it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 If he starts Obertan this weekend I'm going to send Pardew a parcel with another envelope in it which has Gabriel Obertan as the address then in side the envelope is a bag which contains shit, that may or may not get the message across, guess we'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 It's subtle one to be sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 If he starts Obertan this weekend I'm going to send Pardew a parcel with another envelope in it which has Gabriel Obertan as the address then in side the envelope is a bag which contains shit, that may or may not get the message across, guess we'll see. honest question what other choice does he have? Fergies just back from injury, Sammys to raw imo atm to start and is best suited off the bench and he clearly doesn't see HBA as a wide player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 If he starts Obertan this weekend I'm going to send Pardew a parcel with another envelope in it which has Gabriel Obertan as the address then in side the envelope is a bag which contains shit, that may or may not get the message across, guess we'll see. honest question what other choice does he have? Fergies just back from injury, Sammys to raw imo atm to start and is best suited off the bench and he clearly doesn't see HBA as a wide player Agree with this really. I am not sure I see HBA as a right winger either We should have replaced Barton though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 There actually is a distinct lack of options on the right wing really. Obertan is pretty much the only "natural" right winger we've got. Sure, Jonas can play there but he's made the left wing his own. Sammy is still too raw atm to be starting games (and if he is on the pitch, I'd play him on the left-side anyway). I've heard Gosling could play there but he's out for 3 games now though even when he is available, personally can't see him being played there. I still want to try Ben Arfa out there like, he is the only other logical choice after the names I've just mentioned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 If he starts Obertan this weekend I'm going to send Pardew a parcel with another envelope in it which has Gabriel Obertan as the address then in side the envelope is a bag which contains shit, that may or may not get the message across, guess we'll see. honest question what other choice does he have? Fergies just back from injury, Sammys to raw imo atm to start and is best suited off the bench and he clearly doesn't see HBA as a wide player Agree with this really. I am not sure I see HBA as a right winger either We should have replaced Barton though. What other option? Raylor on the right. Dependant on who we have to play CB of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 16, 2011 Share Posted December 16, 2011 Not for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 There actually is a distinct lack of options on the right wing really. Obertan is pretty much the only "natural" right winger we've got. Sure, Jonas can play there but he's made the left wing his own. Sammy is still too raw atm to be starting games (and if he is on the pitch, I'd play him on the left-side anyway). I've heard Gosling could play there but he's out for 3 games now though even when he is available, personally can't see him being played there. I still want to try Ben Arfa out there like, he is the only other logical choice after the names I've just mentioned. Marveaux was meant to be the other option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 There actually is a distinct lack of options on the right wing really. Obertan is pretty much the only "natural" right winger we've got. Sure, Jonas can play there but he's made the left wing his own. Sammy is still too raw atm to be starting games (and if he is on the pitch, I'd play him on the left-side anyway). I've heard Gosling could play there but he's out for 3 games now though even when he is available, personally can't see him being played there. I still want to try Ben Arfa out there like, he is the only other logical choice after the names I've just mentioned. Marveaux was meant to be the other option Indeed but I didn't mention him because he's out for the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 If he starts Obertan this weekend I'm going to send Pardew a parcel with another envelope in it which has Gabriel Obertan as the address then in side the envelope is a bag which contains shit, that may or may not get the message across, guess we'll see. honest question what other choice does he have? Fergies just back from injury, Sammys to raw imo atm to start and is best suited off the bench and he clearly doesn't see HBA as a wide player well, the best game ben arfas ever had for us vs everton he was played wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Jonas could play right, HBA left. The reason we cant is because Jonas needs to protect Raylor, had we properly replaced Enrique knowing he was leaving for over 6 months, this wouldnt be the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 We did replace him though we just haven't played him for one reason or another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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