Tachikoma Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Who has said Ben Arfa is guaranteed to do something? If you're arguing that he's no more likely to make an impact than Sammy then yeah I won't agree. Before pretty much every match someone will make their prediction and state HBA as a goalscorer. A fair few do seem to believe when he plays he will either score or get an assist in every game. I agree that he should've come on today, but also agree with Cajun that there is an expectation from many that he will do something every time he plays, which he won't. A few of us probably have HBA in our Fantasy Prem teams <_< Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Who has said Ben Arfa is guaranteed to do something? If you're arguing that he's no more likely to make an impact than Sammy then yeah I won't agree. Before pretty much every match someone will make their prediction and state HBA as a goalscorer. A fair few do seem to believe when he plays he will either score or get an assist in every game. I agree that he should've come on today, but also agree with Cajun that there is an expectation from many that he will do something every time he plays, which he won't. The goalscorer thing is just a piss take. People would like it to happen but people aren't banking on it happening. They just want to see the player with the most talent on the ball in our team. Is that too much to ask? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People will do that with most players they hope to see start. Of course he's not going to score every game or even play well every game, but it's about putting all the elements in place to make a good result as likely as possible. Last couple of games it doesn't seem Pardew has done that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 The reactions We did more than enough to win this game today, just didn't happen. Pardew has achieved nothing for us to not criticise him for this result. If you were happy enough to jump on the Pardew bandwagon when we were doing well, then fair enough. But, some of us, still think the jury is out on him. Some of us think he still needs a full season before he should be judged. And yes, I've said that even when we were 3rd-4th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 his stance HBA only play in no 10 position is becomming a joke... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 his stance HBA only play in no 10 position is becomming a joke... Next game is his chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Tbf Ben Arfa put a chance on a plate for Ba and hit the post himself against Man City and won a dodgy pen against Man Utd. Did nowt against Chelsea but he's done enough in those 3 games to suggest he would have a meaningful involvement in the following games yet he doesn't get on for a minute of the next 2. Mental, wonder if he'll get used at all on Wednesday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Tbf Ben Arfa put a chance on a plate for Ba and hit the post himself against Man City and won a dodgy pen against Man Utd. Did nowt against Chelsea but he's done enough in those 3 games to suggest he would have a meaningful involvement in the following games yet he doesn't get on for a minute of the next 2. Mental, wonder if he'll get used at all on Wednesday? Might be lucky to come and get to come on for Best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 The reactions We did more than enough to win this game today, just didn't happen. Pardew has achieved nothing for us not to criticise him for this result. If you were happy enough to jump on the Pardew bandwagon when we were doing well, then fair enough. But, some of us, still think the jury is out on him. Some of us think he still needs a full season before he should be judged. And yes, I've said that even when we were 3rd-4th. He's been at us for less than a season and we were in the Championship a year and a half ago, what the fuck did you expect him to have achieved by this point? I'm not saying I agree with all the decisions he made today, because I don't, but that statement is just idiotic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Disappointing that there doesn't seem to be a plan b if 4-4-2 isn't working. At the very least today we could've gone 4-3-3 with the big lads up top and bullied them for the last 20, wouldn't have been pretty but could've made a difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Pardew is a moron who consistently makes wrong substitutions. I'm still speechless at what he did today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Hughton: LDLDL = sack Pardew: LDLLD He'd better hope we beat West Brom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 80's football. Flabergasted that when a team sits deep and the two lines of four are close together we didn't play our best lockpicker. Fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Disappointing from him today (towards the end of the game anyway). Puzzling substitutions. Whilst I agree that taking Tiote off and bringing Vuckic on was probably a precaution given that Tiote had just went down (cramp in the end), you just can't excuse leaving a player like Ben Arfa on the bench imo. We were lacking a cutting edge in attack, we had drifted away in the second half and we needed an extra dimension in the final third. Sammy is a great prospect for the future but he isn't one we should bring on to change a game. Pardew really needs to explain himself about the whole Ben Arfa situation. I said today before the game that I wasn't worried about Ben Arfa at all and that he'll be fine in the end. Starting to doubt what I said now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Laughable reactions as always I see We did very nearly enough to win the game today but just couldn't find the goal. Don't see a great deal wrong with the subs. Maybe they could have been made 5 mins earlier. It was obvious that Ben Arfa was set to come on before Tiote's cramp, but that changed things. And for the record, I thought Obertan was dangerous and was unlucky to be the one who was taken off. All in all, a frustrating day, but nothing that Pardew did particularly worried me. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Laughable reactions as always I see We did very nearly enough to win the game today but just couldn't find the goal. Don't see a great deal wrong with the subs. Maybe they could have been made 5 mins earlier. It was obvious that Ben Arfa was set to come on before Tiote's cramp, but that changed things. And for the record, I thought Obertan was dangerous and was unlucky to be the one who was taken off. All in all, a frustrating day, but nothing that Pardew did particularly worried me. Agreed. Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Thought Obertan was alright today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Laughable reactions as always I see We did very nearly enough to win the game today but just couldn't find the goal. Don't see a great deal wrong with the subs. Maybe they could have been made 5 mins earlier. It was obvious that Ben Arfa was set to come on before Tiote's cramp, but that changed things. And for the record, I thought Obertan was dangerous and was unlucky to be the one who was taken off. All in all, a frustrating day, but nothing that Pardew did particularly worried me. Agreed. Agreed Name me a chance we had? Oh yes Ba creating somehting out of nowt and hitting the pst, and Ameobi sprintiing into a ball from Santon (he did very little else, he was obviously knackered from that piercing run) Anything else? Possession doens't win you games unfortunately. Pardew deserves the criticism today. He got the plaudits when we were 3rd and he neeeds to take the criticism now. His substitions were poor. The wrong personnel coming on and off, and badly timed. West Brom could turn out to be another bad result based on Pardew's tactics the last 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Pardew deserves the criticism today. He got the plaudits when we were 3rd and he neeeds to take the criticism now. His substitions were poor. The wrong personnel coming on and off, and badly timed. One point from Norwich and Swansea would attract criticism for any manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I can't believe I froze my arse off and lost the feeling in my toes to sit and watch headless chicken-ertan run around for 90 minutes and HBA sit on his arse on the bench. Needs to sort out his tactics and substitutions or we'll be in for another poor return on Wednesday night. Needs to pull his finger out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Execute Pards he made a mistake omg... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I can't believe I froze my arse off and lost the feeling in my toes to sit and watch headless chicken-ertan run around for 90 minutes and HBA sit on his arse on the bench. Needs to sort out his tactics and substitutions or we'll be in for another poor return on Wednesday night. Needs to pull his finger out. Struggle to see what Obertan did wrong like. fucking about on the ball constantly throughout the first half instead of running/passing/crossing. Santon the fullback showed him how to be winger. He just kept standing on the ball and trying to square up to the fullback before losing the ball and lightly jogging back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Can someone explain to me how the last two results are any different to the results against newly promoted sides that supposedly cost Chris Hughton his job? Thought Pardew was brought in solely to stop this sort of thing happening? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 I can't believe I froze my arse off and lost the feeling in my toes to sit and watch headless chicken-ertan run around for 90 minutes and HBA sit on his arse on the bench. Needs to sort out his tactics and substitutions or we'll be in for another poor return on Wednesday night. Needs to pull his finger out. Struggle to see what Obertan did wrong like. Laughable reactions as always I see We did very nearly enough to win the game today but just couldn't find the goal. Don't see a great deal wrong with the subs. Maybe they could have been made 5 mins earlier. It was obvious that Ben Arfa was set to come on before Tiote's cramp, but that changed things. And for the record, I thought Obertan was dangerous and was unlucky to be the one who was taken off. All in all, a frustrating day, but nothing that Pardew did particularly worried me. Agreed. Agreed Name me a chance we had? Oh yes Ba creating somehting out of nowt and hitting the pst, and Ameobi sprintiing into a ball from Santon (he did very little else, he was obviously knackered from that piercing run) Anything else? Possession doens't win you games unfortunately. Pardew deserves the criticism today. He got the plaudits when we were 3rd and he neeeds to take the criticism now. His substitions were poor. The wrong personnel coming on and off, and badly timed. West Brom could turn out to be another bad result based on Pardew's tactics the last 3 games. How about Colos header onto the post, Ba's scuffed shot that hit the post, Ba getting on the end of that cross in the early part of the second half which we probably should have done better with, and the two times Santon and Obertan hit low crosses across the box which just needed Ba or Best to prod home of they didn't continue making the same runs as each other. You've got to be joking if you don't think we had a whole host of good chances surely? Chances or half chances? Yes that's right half chances against a newly promoted side at home. Those low crosses can't be called chances either. The amount fo ball we waste on the wings is also farcial. We never looked like winning today, despite our possession. I understand that it looked like we created things against a side willing to sit back, but against teams like this we should be able to carve more out than 2 headers and a shot that Ba had to create all by himself because of the lack of service which i sbeggining to get worrying. The reason Ba is statistically one of the best strikers in the league is because he feeds of scraps that our midfielders give him. We really are quite a toothless side in attack at times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 Can someone explain to me how the last two results are any different to the results against newly promoted sides that supposedly cost Chris Hughton his job? Thought Pardew was brought in solely to stop this sort of thing happening? Shush, not allowed to say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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