Si Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I would like to stick with the same manager for longer than 2 years n see what happens rather than think about upgrading. What we need above all else is stability for next few years no matter if we finish 5th or 10th This, a thousand times this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I would like to stick with the same manager for longer than 2 years n see what happens rather than think about upgrading. What we need above all else is stability for next few years no matter if we finish 5th or 10th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Jesus. I get that you don't rate Pardew but the players bought, results and performances under Allardyce were dreadful. He bought Beye, Enrique, Rosenthal, Faye, Smith, Geremi and Viduka. Anyone else? Only the first two were successes. The wretched home game v Liverpool (whilst we lost 3-0, it was for me far more incompetent than the 1-5 defeat the next season) under Fat Sam was the most clueless NUFC performance I've seen in my 25 years watching the club. Then there was the Portsmouth shambles not to mention gifting the worst PL side of all time, 4 points. A Derby side who were getting cuffed of everyone. We lost 0-1 and Sam reckoned if we'd taken a 0-0 draw it would have been a great result. Better than Pardew. Utter drivel. Big Sam's career pisses all over Pardew's to be honest. Of course he is a better manager. Lets not forget it was only a few years back Bolton were where we are now, mighty fucking Bolton, finishing 6th. That's when the league was far stronger too. Just because he was a poor NUFC manager does not make him a shit manager. The league was not stronger like, City and Spurs (not to mention ourselves) were cack back then. Everton got top 4 that season with an awful squad. Edit: Even Boro finished 7th just behind Bolton FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce a better manager than Pardew? Bloody hell, I've heard it all now :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Don't see the point in 'this manager did this and that at this club', Allardyce was fucking shocking for us, Pardew has been very good. That's all I am really fussed about if I'm honest. I would sort of understand if Allardyce had been some amazing success pre and post Newcastle but he hasn't really. i agree with nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce a better manager than Pardew? Bloody hell, I've heard it all now :lol: I quite Like HTT's posts even when i don't agree with them but i now think he lost it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Who could forget this training session from Allardyce-era: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 That's the clip I was on about. Can literally only stand about ten seconds of that awful drone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthiGeordie Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 HTT you are killing your reputation there for all his reputation Fat Sam's team was unfit when KK took over KK said he had to do some conditioning in his first month. I know you like Fat Sam a lot even when he is here but quite simply he is not a Newcastle Manager from the bigning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 HTT you are killing your reputation there for all his reputation Fat Sam's team was unfit when KK took over KK said he had to do some conditioning in his first month. I know you like Fat Sam a lot even when he is here but quite simply he is not a Newcastle Manager from the bigning. Couldn't have put it better myself Ethi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Have absolutely no clue what he is on about in that training clip. Someone care to expand on his 'tactics'? Although I would imagine it involving a long ball up to Viduka... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 HTT you are killing your reputation there for all his reputation Fat Sam's team was unfit when KK took over KK said he had to do some conditioning in his first month. I know you like Fat Sam a lot even when he is here but quite simply he is not a Newcastle Manager from the bigning. Couldn't have put it better myself Ethi. You know shit's gone wrong in a thread when that's said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 HTT you are killing your reputation there for all his reputation Fat Sam's team was unfit when KK took over KK said he had to do some conditioning in his first month. I know you like Fat Sam a lot even when he is here but quite simply he is not a Newcastle Manager from the bigning. Couldn't have put it better myself Ethi. You know shit's gone wrong in a thread when that's said. aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 HTT you are killing your reputation there for all his reputation Fat Sam's team was unfit when KK took over KK said he had to do some conditioning in his first month. I know you like Fat Sam a lot even when he is here but quite simply he is not a Newcastle Manager from the bigning. Couldn't have put it better myself Ethi. You know shit's gone wrong in a thread when that's said. aye Fuk me this petrol is strong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Playing for a draw against Derby, wasn't it. Dreadful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Playing for a draw against Derby, wasn't it. Dreadful. At home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Playing for a draw against Derby, wasn't it. Dreadful. For me, while that was awful, what summed up Allardyce was the tactical set up v Liverpool. After twenty minutes it was clear the players had absolutely no idea what they were supposed to be doing. Was horrible to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Playing for a draw against Derby, wasn't it. Dreadful. For me, while that was awful, what summed up Allardyce was the tactical set up v Liverpool. After twenty minutes it was clear the players had absolutely no idea what they were supposed to be doing. Was horrible to watch. that and saying that being three goals down at home to pompey we'd best just give in, despite getting one back with 70mins to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 To think how great his first 45 minutes of the season was as well. The mother of all false dawns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I dont even know why people are arguing about LOLardyce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 To think how great his first 45 minutes of the season was as well. The mother of all false dawns. Holy shit. That Bolton game. Was on holiday at the time and was jizzing myself silly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Sam was only better on paper, he did a horrible job here and would never want him back. His negative football totally killed any sort of passing game left in us and turn us fundamentally into hoof only team. There was no invention in the team and we created few open chances. Although we might not have got relegated if we kept him but still for all the hit and misses, we are in a much better position now. As my standard measure, i prefer to see whats goes on , on the pitch. How we score goals, create chances , utilize space , tactics, counter, defend while under pressure or defend while being countered. Sometimes i think blatant results dont tell the whole story, how we play on the pitch would likely give a better signal where is our consistency. Honestly, i harbor no good feelings for Pardew, hopes he keeps the team together for another season or two and progressively get a manager which wants to play attacking football.(Keegan & Bobby type) Aka Swansea which results and table position is worst off than us but their football and philosophy is just much more positive. Sam Allardyce neither had results at Newcastle or produced any on the pitch, happy to see the back of him and would never want to welcome another manager which wants a negative brand of football. Maybe its only me but Newcastle for me had always being the entertainers or an attacking team which fans loved and flair players thrived. This has someway faded and we are much more industrialize. Still hope we can go back to our old philosophy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Actually to sum up my post above, i would just like us to try to play good football while picking up results, an attacking mentality that scares teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 htt, if you think allardyce is the better manager you'd be quite happy to have him back tomorrow ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 How anyone can begrudge Pardew's style of play or anything else when we're sitting 5th in the table, one point off 4th, with 14 games left is beyond me. We have been remarkably resilient this season - look at the teams we've put out there from time to time and still won games. We are not fragile. We've won at some truly diabolical grounds this year, like Stoke and Blackburn, playing ugly but effective football. The results are brilliant. We won a match with Danny Guthrie, James Perch, and Ryan Taylor starting in midfield. Who on earth would have expected that? Pardew's clearly an excellent man manager and a pretty solid tactician. Like every manager, Wenger, AVB, Fergie, and Mancini included, he's made tactical errors and personnel blunders. He's also made halftime adjustments on more than one occasion that have won us points. He wants to forge a strong squad. That's why he bigs up squad players all the time. He wants to instill a work ethic into every player, rightly or wrongly, and is demanding the same out of HBA. I think we could capably handle a flair player like Hatem when we have Tiote/Cabaye in the starting XI and hardworking forwards running off him. But since we haven't had that, solidity is more valued. I can understand that even if I don't fully agree. He has earned the right not to be second-guessed all the time. There are areas in which he needs to improve but he has exceeded my expectations to a mind-boggling degree. Maybe Pardew has gain quite a couple of fans since we are fifth on the table, maybe his exceeding great results have people expectations fulfill and maybe we should start comparing Pardew to Wenger, Fergie, Mourinhno on tactical mistakes. However, this is still not how i see Newcastle being developing in this two years. The quality of our players improved and the financial prudence of Newcastle United improved as well, i have seen it as a change of Policy/Philosophy of the board and owner as a whole. They might have fuck us up , have no respect for us and wretch us from the beginning but credit to them, they are turning us over. It might be due to them having a better understanding of of how to run a football club rather than all the denise wise bullshit. At least for now Newcastle is great in the transfer window and getting real quality players in the team. I cant see how Pardew has many hands in the transfer marker as its not his job to get players over the line. This is quite apparent i hope and hope this continues even with new managers we employ.On this side of the page the club and board has won me over a 100% on how they identity and value players. On the footballing side, Pardew is managing players of improved quality which the board think should improve the team, We should be going from strength to strength given the vast improvement of the players which is showing in the table and results. Now not just HBA , most of the flair players in the team are under performing or are not fitted into our industrialize team now. I have conceded the fact that Pardew is limited and prefers his direct style. The same can't be said for the players and some of us fans which might think Obertan, Ryan talyor , Shola, Perch and some other players dont deserve the credit or the chance ahead of others in certain positions. At least on the international Basis these player are not getting a sniff into their national teams and currently dont look likely to do so any time soon. Now we are at the cross roads of choosing a more industrialize style as we play or changing it into a more creative style that could incorporate the Flair players. I for one have saw a glimmer of hope when Pardew played Jonas as the free role in the 4-3-3 and still hope he persist with it as it probably the only time i have seen the flair players given a chance to express themselves. It became fairly obviously ,Jonas is much more than a hard working nut that has no end result when given a chance to express. however this system leaked goals and we looked vulnerable on the counter therefore his change back to plain 4-4-2 which has better shape and overall a tighter unit. I still think its arguable that with the players we have, we might/should be able to break teams down more often and win because we have a lead over them rather than settling for a safe game or draw. Having said all this, we finally found and bought players to fit an attacking Physiology Newcastle United used to be renowned for. Personally, i am disappointed with how its being translated on the pitch. Imo keegan or Bobby is much more suited to these set of players than Pardew is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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