Newcastle United 4 - 4 Arsenal - 05/02/11 - post match reaction from page 32

[Benwell Lad]

What a bunch of fannies the Arse are really. They are like the camp hairdressers of the Premiership.

;D

 

[Guest Antec]

Them really don't like it up 'em do they

[Robster]

It's a shame really because if Arsene and his players has a more sportsmanlike attitude they would be far and away everyone's favourite "other" team.

I believe that everyone enjoys their style of play but Wenger's inability to ever show any humility is bloody annoying.

His "I didn't see it" response is ridiculous. He should either be honest or say that he would prefer not to comment on it - how difficult can it be.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I just remembered this game actually happened.

 

[pinkeye]

I think it is fair to say that the author of that incredibly well written piece really doesn't like Joey Barton does he?

 

"Barton's disgusting challenge" - when referring to the incident that lead to Diaby being issued a red card.

I can only assume that he has not seen the incident yet, in the same way that Wenger never sees anything!  If there had been the slightest thing wrong with the way Barton went for the ball then the FA would have been all over it by now, and you can guarentee that they will have looked at it several times to make sure there was no chance of issuing another postumous red card to one of our team of little savages.

 

Personally the way Barton conducts himself in the game now is admirable and testament to a man who is trying to change!

[NG32]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php?section=exclusive&id=2068

 

 

 

 

 

 

It occurred to me during the debacle of the last World Cup that the nations footballlers can often tell a lot about the nations soul. The pre-war and early post war generation had the modest genius and heroism of Sir Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and Joe Mercer. The baby boomers had the class and gentleman spirit of the two Bobbies - Charlton and Moore. For us children of Thatcher and Tony Blair - sadly we have a greedy, less than attractive slightly rotund ginger man who uses prostitutes called Wayne and in John Terry we have the son of a drug dealing father and a shoplifting mum who between them were too stupid to even put a surname on their offsprings birth certificate. However, what of the man who doesnt even measure up to the professional and moral standards of these two wretched products of broken Britain? Joey Barton born in Liverpool just weeks before Alan Bleasdales magnificient Boys from the Black Stuff via BBC2 told the Nation of the decline in its midst in the Autumn of 1982 has rarely disguised his disdain for the produce of the Golden Generation of English football and their overshadowing of his extremely modest talents. In the aftermath of Englands quarter final defeat in 2006 Barton had wrote England did nothing in that World Cup, so why were they bringing books out? 'We got beat in the quarter-finals. I played like s***. Here's my book.' Who wants to read that? His outburst of righteous indignation is largely disingenuous however, its more in the vein of pure bitterness after all if England is going to showcase limited talent and limited technique to the world in major championships Barton obviously feels hes the man to fly the flag for old Albion. Also if Stevie G et al are going to write books about footballing failure Barton probably feels they should at least provide lift up flaps to allow people of his reading age a chance to understand what youre putting into print.

 

 

Barton: Cigarette, anyone?

Ive always scoffed how in the last ten years or so the media have always thrown members of the underclass in our direction to (often wrongly) blame for all of societys ills be it Jade Goody, Lady Sovereign, Vicky Pollard, fictional characters from the massively overrated Channel 4 comedy Shameless, those who go on Jeremy Kyle or the nations moral panic about the hoodies that inhabit our town centres. However every time Joey Bartons ugly boat race crosses my TV or newspaper I cant help feeling the lights are rapidly going out all over this once great nation I inhabit. As the downturn chunders on, the working classes of this nation are an increasingly beleaguered bunch in relation to its effects. However, as throughout history, rather than a class battle between the haves and the have nots, the lower orders have often been fighting a battle between the proletarians and what Karl Marx in his writings often referred to as the lumpenproletarians the latter being in his words the refuse of all classes swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers and other flotsam of society. They were originally highlighted by Marx as a class that appeared during the time of the French revolution who allied themselves with the ancien regime and often deliberately worked against the cause of enlightenment and social betterment for the masses. The distinction between the two is largely thus to be a prole is a matter of circumstance which people are often born into and in many cases often powerless with regard to, but in essence an honest member of society. To be a lumpenprole however is a matter of mentality and one which he has every control over.

 

To me, the charmless and ugly Joey Barton has always personified every aspect of this residuum class of the lumpenproletariat that blights the everyday life of the decent folk of these Islands. Barton is the criminal class personified just look at this thugs record: He received his first red card in 2003 for arguing with a referee in the tunnel not even on the field of play when his side was 3-0 down against Tottenham. So missed by his team mates was Barton that 10 man Manchester City went on to win 4-3. Not that Barton has ever had the ability to build a constructive rapport with his colleagues - at Citys 2004 Christmas party he stubbed out a lit cigar in a youth team players eye and in July 2008 was kicked out of Manchester City for committing assault occasioning ABH against team mate Ousmane Dabo. Ordinary members of the public are no more safe from this troglodyte either - in May 2005 he broke a 35-year-old pedestrian's leg while driving his car through Liverpool City Centre at 2AM. In the summer of 2005, Barton was sent home from a pre-season tournament in Thailand after assaulting a 15-year-old Everton supporter and had to be restrained from attacking the boy further by his team mate Richard Dunne. Just over a year later Barton was fined by the FA for exposing his backside to Everton fans quite probably in order to give his brain some fresh air. The fact that Barton had left secondary school with seven GCSEs to his name is pretty much conclusive proof that exams really are too easy these days.

 

Bartons crowning glory however came in May 2008 when he was sentenced to six months imprisonment in relation to an incident where CCTV footage showed Barton punching a man twenty times causing him to lose consciousness, as well as breaking a teenagers teeth. Lest we forget also that Joeys younger brother Michael Barton and his cousin Paul Taylor are both currently serving time for a racially motivated murder committed with a pick axe against young black Arsenal fan Anthony Walker who had been studying for his A-Levels at the time and innocently out on a date with his white girlfriend. The latter of course isnt directly Joey Bartons fault but lets just say such rancid racist attitudes are often borne from the family one grows up in. Rotten apples after all barely fall too far from the tree that spawned them.

 

Despite being such an odious creature however, Joey Barton is by no means societys loser. In a nation where nearly three million could be on the dole by this Easter, smug Joey Barton on his hefty wage is one of the ones who are winning in this world. Where the everyday working man fears for his job and how the merest slip on the behaviour front can see him fall into the mire, Barton can get away with what he has wreaked on others over the years and can still lord it over the rest of us. However much you hate Bartons guts, he sure as hell doesnt wish he was you. And how is this possible? Well because like all of the ugly henchmen of this post credit crunch world be it the men the loan sharks send round to break your kneecaps when youve missed a payment, the cat burglar who steals an old mans savings, the pusher who gets bored unemployed youth hooked on narcotics or the pimp trying to find a woman thats weak Joey Barton is armed with nothing more than an empty head and a moral vacuum with the simple aim of bringing back results for his unscrupulous master, the equally scummy Alan Pardew who in his guise as West Ham manager resembled nothing more than a Rottweiler owning arsehole sitting in a North Woolwich cess pit boozer moaning about foreigners taking our jobs and recommending that the answer to all of lifes little conundrums is to dish out a good kick in the bollocks.

 

Though Arsenal fans opinions are often split on Abu Diabys abilities as a player, when you bear in mind his record with injuries and the career threatening leg break by Sunderlands Ryan Smith in 2006, his angry reaction to Bartons disgusting challenge is entirely understandable. However like many of the beleaguered masses when theyve had enough of being bullied and threatened by Bartons lumpenprole ilk on council estates the nation over Phil Dowd personifies the cowardice of the authorities and sides with the thugs, as well as failing to be consistent when the boot is on the other foot. Chesney seeing that Arsenal are going to be the team kicking off after a goal is scored against them rightly refuses to give the ball to Barton. Kevin Nolan, Bartons fellow gang member then attacks Chesney for not giving in to the demands of his criminal thug friend and Phil Dowd, the coward in authority, then gives Chesney a booking for not giving in to their thuggish demands.

 

People might view this piece as sour grapes because Barton ultimately stopped my side taking three points after we were cruising four nil at half time. They might think Im being a bit Daily Mail in oversimplifying deep social problems by laying the blame on one particular thuggish footballer maybe theyre right. But society today is ugly and these days I seem to see little Joey Bartons everywhere. And if you need me to put my mentality for you in a nutshell then here goes when Joey Bartons kith and kin murdered Anthony Walker, the victims mother had plead forgiveness stating I have to forgive them. I can't feel anger and hatred, because that is what killed my son. All I can say is that shes a much bigger person than Ill ever be and must admit that Im a petty and vindictive little man in comparison. I loathe and despise both of the weasels, enjoy the fact theyre no longer part of our society and actively pray for the downfall of their Premiership Kith and Kin as well as every little lumpen Joey Barton clone in the nastiest and most humiliating fashion possible for the sake of football and more importantly, for the soul of this once great nation

 

 

 

 

More whinging from Arseanl.

 

Wow, unreal.  The internet is the best investion by humanity but its a double edged sword.

[JH]

It fucking disgusts me that not one of those arse-faced cunts in the media will come out and defend him.

 

He's done fuck all wrong in this past few months, and the way he handled himself on Saturday was impeccable.

 

I don't know, he goes in one footed, cleanly wins the ball, doesn't react when he is pushed to the ground from his neck and he still gets slated.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

On MOTD they said there was nothing wrong with his challenge. If you mean arsenal players then that'll be the day!

[NG32]

It f***ing disgusts me that not one of those arse-faced c***s in the media will come out and defend him.

 

He's done f*** all wrong in this past few months, and the way he handled himself on Saturday was impeccable.

 

I don't know, he goes in one footed, cleanly wins the ball, doesn't react when he is pushed to the ground from his neck and he still gets slated.

 

I dunno, Souness though it was ok.

[Stifler]

The ball was there to be won, he didn't go in two footed, he didn't go in studs showing, he didn't go in high. Get a grip Arsenal, you goal was offside (I've seen them complain it was onside), our best goal was onside (them claiming it was offside after), you did give away two penalties, soft but penalties by the letter of the law.

 

You blew a 4 goal lead, Newcastle over the game were actually the better team, and could have and maybe should have won. Arsenal, count yourselves lucky you didn't lose.

[9]

love it that its bothering them so much, also funny the ones that are not showing its bothering them are using the "at least man u and chelsea got beat" line, you thick fucks that makes it worse 

 

Barton was class, late 1st half i had a feeling he was going to lose the plot and do something stupid, but he didnt and 2nd half changed the game and got us all and himself back in love with the club after a horrible week.

[BlueStar]

Fun to see people who weren't at the match claim Dowd gave the second pen late, or was unsighted.  If they were actually at the game they would have seen the linesman gave it.  I guess he was in on the conspiracy as well.  And of course that deflected free kick and one in a million volley to equalise was scripted from the start.  Arsenal fans make Spurs fans look grounded in reality.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Barton was class, late 1st half i had a feeling he was going to lose the plot and do something stupid, but he didnt and 2nd half changed the game and got us all and himself back in love with the club after a horrible week.

 

This is the first time in Barton's career that I actually believe he has changed.

 

The amount of times he has failed to react to provocation this season is very impressive. He also looks much fitter and in better shape than before, suggesting he's getting his head down and working hard off the pitch as well.

[TBG]

Was the ref on "our side" when we beat them at their place?

[Ginola]

http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php?section=exclusive&id=2068

 

 

 

 

 

 

It occurred to me during the debacle of the last World Cup that the nation’s footballlers can often tell a lot about the nation’s soul. The pre-war and early post war generation had the modest genius and heroism of Sir Stanley Matthews, Tom Finney and Joe Mercer. The baby boomers had the class and gentleman spirit of the two Bobbies - Charlton and Moore. For us children of Thatcher and Tony Blair - sadly we have a greedy, less than attractive slightly rotund ginger man who uses prostitutes called Wayne and in John Terry we have the son of a drug dealing father and a shoplifting mum who between them were too stupid to even put a surname on their offspring’s birth certificate. However, what of the man who doesn’t even measure up to the professional and moral standards of these two wretched products of broken Britain? Joey Barton – born in Liverpool just weeks before Alan Bleasdale’s magnificient ‘Boys from the Black Stuff’ via BBC2 told the Nation of the decline in its midst in the Autumn of 1982 – has rarely disguised his disdain for the produce of the ‘Golden Generation’ of English football and their overshadowing of his extremely modest talents. In the aftermath of England’s quarter final defeat in 2006 Barton had wrote ‘England did nothing in that World Cup, so why were they bringing books out? 'We got beat in the quarter-finals. I played like s***. Here's my book.' Who wants to read that?’ His outburst of righteous indignation is largely disingenuous however, it’s more in the vein of pure bitterness – after all if England is going to showcase limited talent and limited technique to the world in major championships Barton obviously feels he’s the man to fly the flag for old Albion. Also – if Stevie G et al are going to write books about footballing failure Barton probably feels they should at least provide lift up flaps to allow people of his reading age a chance to understand what you’re putting into print.

 

 

Barton: Cigarette, anyone?

I’ve always scoffed how in the last ten years or so the media have always thrown members of the underclass in our direction to (often wrongly) blame for all of society’s ills – be it Jade Goody, Lady Sovereign, Vicky Pollard, fictional characters from the massively overrated Channel 4 comedy Shameless, those who go on Jeremy Kyle or the nation’s moral panic about the ‘hoodies’ that inhabit our town centres. However every time Joey Barton’s ugly boat race crosses my TV or newspaper I can’t help feeling the lights are rapidly going out all over this once great nation I inhabit. As the downturn chunders on, the working classes of this nation are an increasingly beleaguered bunch in relation to its effects. However, as throughout history, rather than a class battle between the haves and the have nots, the lower orders have often been fighting a battle between the ‘proletarians’ and what Karl Marx in his writings often referred to as the ‘lumpenproletarians’ – the latter being in his words the ‘refuse of all classes… swindlers, confidence tricksters, brothel-keepers… and other flotsam of society’. They were originally highlighted by Marx as a class that appeared during the time of the French revolution who allied themselves with the ‘ancien regime’ and often deliberately worked against the cause of enlightenment and social betterment for the masses. The distinction between the two is largely thus – to be a ‘prole’ is a matter of circumstance which people are often born into and in many cases often powerless with regard to, but in essence an honest member of society. To be a ‘lumpenprole’ however is a matter of mentality – and one which he has every control over.

 

To me, the charmless and ugly Joey Barton has always personified every aspect of this residuum class of the lumpenproletariat that blights the everyday life of the decent folk of these Islands. Barton is the criminal class personified – just look at this thug’s record: He received his first red card in 2003 for arguing with a referee in the tunnel – not even on the field of play – when his side was 3-0 down against Tottenham. So missed by his team mates was Barton that 10 man Manchester City went on to win 4-3. Not that Barton has ever had the ability to build a constructive rapport with his colleagues - at City’s 2004 Christmas party he stubbed out a lit cigar in a youth team player’s eye and in July 2008 was kicked out of Manchester City for committing assault occasioning ABH against team mate Ousmane Dabo. Ordinary members of the public are no more safe from this troglodyte either - in May 2005 he broke a 35-year-old pedestrian's leg while driving his car through Liverpool City Centre at 2AM. In the summer of 2005, Barton was sent home from a pre-season tournament in Thailand after assaulting a 15-year-old Everton supporter and had to be restrained from attacking the boy further by his team mate Richard Dunne. Just over a year later Barton was fined by the FA for exposing his backside to Everton fans – quite probably in order to give his brain some fresh air. The fact that Barton had left secondary school with seven GCSEs to his name is pretty much conclusive proof that exams really are too easy these days.

 

Barton’s crowning glory however came in May 2008 when he was sentenced to six months’ imprisonment in relation to an incident where CCTV footage showed Barton punching a man twenty times causing him to lose consciousness, as well as breaking a teenager’s teeth. Lest we forget also that Joey’s younger brother Michael Barton and his cousin Paul Taylor are both currently serving time for a racially motivated murder committed with a pick axe against young black Arsenal fan Anthony Walker who had been studying for his A-Levels at the time and innocently out on a date with his white girlfriend. The latter of course isn’t directly Joey Barton’s fault – but let’s just say such rancid racist attitudes are often borne from the family one grows up in. Rotten apples after all barely fall too far from the tree that spawned them.

 

Despite being such an odious creature however, Joey Barton is by no means society’s loser. In a nation where nearly three million could be on the dole by this Easter, smug Joey Barton on his hefty wage is one of the ones who are winning in this world. Where the everyday working man fears for his job and how the merest slip on the behaviour front can see him fall into the mire, Barton can get away with what he has wreaked on others over the years and can still lord it over the rest of us. However much you hate Barton’s guts, he sure as hell doesn’t wish he was you. And how is this possible? Well because like all of the ugly henchmen of this post credit crunch world – be it the men the loan sharks send round to break your kneecaps when you’ve missed a payment, the cat burglar who steals an old man’s savings, the pusher who gets bored unemployed youth hooked on narcotics or the pimp trying to find a woman that’s weak – Joey Barton is armed with nothing more than an empty head and a moral vacuum with the simple aim of bringing back results for his unscrupulous master, the equally scummy Alan Pardew who in his guise as West Ham manager resembled nothing more than a Rottweiler owning arsehole sitting in a North Woolwich cess pit boozer moaning about foreigners taking our jobs and recommending that the answer to all of life’s little conundrums is to dish out a good kick in the bollocks.

 

Though Arsenal fans’ opinions are often split on Abu Diaby’s abilities as a player, when you bear in mind his record with injuries and the career threatening leg break by Sunderland’s Ryan Smith in 2006, his angry reaction to Barton’s disgusting challenge is entirely understandable. However – like many of the beleaguered masses when they’ve had enough of being bullied and threatened by Barton’s lumpenprole ilk on council estates the nation over – Phil Dowd personifies the cowardice of the authorities and sides with the thugs, as well as failing to be consistent when the boot is on the other foot. ‘Chesney’ – seeing that Arsenal are going to be the team kicking off after a goal is scored against them – rightly refuses to give the ball to Barton. Kevin Nolan, Barton’s fellow gang member then attacks ‘Chesney’ for not giving in to the demands of his criminal thug friend – and Phil Dowd, the coward in authority, then gives ‘Chesney’ a booking for not giving in to their thuggish demands.

 

People might view this piece as sour grapes because Barton ultimately stopped my side taking three points after we were cruising four nil at half time. They might think I’m being a bit Daily Mail in oversimplifying deep social problems by laying the blame on one particular thuggish footballer – maybe they’re right. But society today is ugly and these days I seem to see little Joey Bartons everywhere. And if you need me to put my mentality for you in a nutshell then here goes – when Joey Barton’s kith and kin murdered Anthony Walker, the victim’s mother had plead forgiveness stating ‘I have to forgive them. I can't feel anger and hatred, because that is what killed my son’. All I can say is that she’s a much bigger person than I’ll ever be and must admit that I’m a petty and vindictive little man in comparison. I loathe and despise both of the weasels, enjoy the fact they’re no longer part of our society and actively pray for the downfall of their Premiership Kith and Kin as well as every little lumpen Joey Barton clone in the nastiest and most humiliating fashion possible – for the sake of football and more importantly, for the soul of this once great nation

 

 

 

 

More whinging from Arseanl.

 

 

"It was a great second half comeback."

[Dave]

It's a real pity that such an incredible comeback is being slightly spoilt by finger-pointing at the officials. I guess when you're coming from so far behind though a small amount of luck is necessary.

[The Prophet]

Man their whinging is utterly pathetic. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Barton's challange, it's one footed, it's along the ground and he wins the ball. No one condone's what Barton has done in the past, he openly admits himself he needed to change and has taking steps in his life to sort it and in a way I admire him for that. However the attention he receives whenever he remotely bats an eyelid is pathetic, you don't like him, we get it.

 

As for the ref conspiracy, what a load of shite. The linesman got two major calls wrong, disallowing Best's first and awarding a penalty for our third, they pretty much evened each other out. As for the Diaby/Nolan deabte Dowd clearly sent Diaby off for two pushes, one on Barton and one on Nolan, Nolan was given a yllow for one. Dowd isn't a particularly good ref but at least he was consistent at this occassion.

 

Without doubt I'm looking at this with black and white tinted specs but there you go. Arsenal have bigger problems then they seem to realise, they absolutely capitualted in that second half. Instead of whinging on about the ref they might want to take a look at their own players to see why they squandered a four goal lead.

[Benwell Lad]

It's a real pity that such an incredible comeback is being slightly spoilt by finger-pointing at the officials. I guess when you're coming from so far behind though a small amount of luck is necessary.

 

The game statistics, possession, shots on, shots off, corners and crosses are all resoundingly in our favour. On that basis while the draw was  unexpected it can hardly be called lucky.

Thoroughly predictable whingeing from a blinkered set of Arsenal fans who are looking for a scapegoat rather than accepting their own sides shortcomings and frailties.

[Ronaldo]

We were by far the better team from the second the fourth goal went in, for whatever reason.

[Yorkie]

It's a real pity that such an incredible comeback is being slightly spoilt by finger-pointing at the officials. I guess when you're coming from so far behind though a small amount of luck is necessary.

 

Luck that we've earnt.

[JH]

It's not like the officials scored the goals for us, we still had to put two penalties away and convert two chances, which we did. You'd think Phil Dowd headed in the equaliser the way some were going on.

[Dave]

Yep. Created more than enough chances to win the game in 45mins. We effectively scored five, the keeper made at least two good saves and Nolan put his effort wide at the end.

 

We battered them tbh, but no - it was all the referee's fault.

[tmonkey]

Past few pages on this thread read exactly like the post-match comments on Man City's forum after our game with them which resulted in a star player's leg snapped in two by a thug without even so much as a free kick being awarded, and two bad penalty decisions going against us. Similar rose-tinted analysis of decisions, similar "rofl at the whiners" comments, similar "it was a fair challenge, the lad is soooo misunderstood by the evilz mediyah" etc etc.

 

There's nothing wrong with saying that we were on the welcoming end of most of the bad decisions in this game, which we clearly were imo. On top of two poor penalty calls, we won a number of free kicks where our players just went to ground very easily. It was that sort of game where one side knows that the ref will blow if they fall over, so will take advantage of it. It did look like a few of our players had received half-time training from Van der Vaart on how to go down at the slightest contact. The referee, as with most referees in the Premiership these days, just bottled things in front of the home supporters - maybe he felt sorry for us at 4-0, who knows.

 

Nolan's headlock + throw should have been a red card in light of Diaby's red (which was a very fair straight red car imo). I just don't see how it isn't as it's pretty thuggish behaivour to grab someone round the neck and throw them to the ground. On that note, what an utterly daft thing to do from our captain, given that many refs are all too happy to "even things out". The only saving grace is that for some reason, referees seem to be a bit leniant when a player who is trying to get the ball quickly gets angry at the keeper for holding onto it, allowing them to get away with a moment's rage.

 

But yeah, ultimately we benefited greatly from some poor/weak refereeing. IMO of course.

[Ginola]

Funny that they seem to be ignoring our goal that was wrongly flagged offside.

[relámpago blanco]

Can't believe they are having a pop at Bartons temperament when he proved in that game he had changed.  3 years ago if anyone had got hold of Barton like that he would have hit them, he knew what was coming so he turned away.  Then later thing with the keeper he stayed out of bother as well.  Good on you Joey, you've got the stupidity out of your game and proving what a great player you are.