Skeletor Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 That was quite frankly ridiculous. Barcelona were masterful. Man U provided no challenge, though. You could say Barcelona forced this, but Man U threatened whenever they actually got men forward. It's hard to see anything stopping this side until Xavi and Iniesta expire. I cannot remember a time in my life when one team was just so much better than everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ferguson: "That's all I'm saying, alright?" Ooooh, touchy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 basically, Barcelona have elevated football to a new level, and the rest of the sport needs to realise this and try to adapt and, for the bigger sides, catch up. usually big successful sides influence the future of football and barcelona haven't really done that yet. it's like usain bolt destroying the 100m world record - it changes previously unchallenged truths and orthodoxies about what works and what doesn't. in that case it was that tall, rangy runners can't succeed at the 100m, it was powerfully built runners that coaches looked for, hence maurice green saying mark lewis francis had the ideal physique for 100m. nope. often when a good side has success lesser sides look at them to see what they can learn from it. shit managers like souness and allardyce see what mourinho and jacquet have done on the big stage and adapt it to their level. that's not really happened with barcelona. it might be that their philosophy is so deeply ingrained in the club culture, with xavi, messi, iniesta, pedro etc working their way up, that the only way other clubs can adapt it is to start at the academy level. so it might take a few years to see how this side changes the future of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Whilst I have no problem with the team Ferguson picked i think he got the tactics wrong by leaving too much space between the midfield and defence. They had to press as a team or defend deep depending on the circumstance and they did neither. Was disappointed in Valencia and Henandez showed his youth. Giggs showed his age and the effect of outside pressure. Scholes was better than Carrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 basically, Barcelona have elevated football to a new level, and the rest of the sport needs to realise this and try to adapt and, for the bigger sides, catch up. usually big successful sides influence the future of football and barcelona haven't really done that yet. it's like usain bolt destroying the 100m world record - it changes previously unchallenged truths and orthodoxies about what works and what doesn't. in that case it was that tall, rangy runners can't succeed at the 100m, it was powerfully built runners that coaches looked for, hence maurice green saying mark lewis francis had the ideal physique for 100m. nope. often when a good side has success lesser sides look at them to see what they can learn from it. shit managers like souness and allardyce see what mourinho and jacquet have done on the big stage and adapt it to their level. that's not really happened with barcelona. it might be that their philosophy is so deeply ingrained in the club culture, with xavi, messi, iniesta, pedro etc working their way up, that the only way other clubs can adapt it is to start at the academy level. so it might take a few years to see how this side changes the future of football. too much words. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest young master Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). no man, I think we have improved. take out barcelona and maybe madrid, the rest of the prem will spanked the rest of la liga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Masch gets a dig in to Mancs that will go down well in Liverpool. Elsewhere G.Neville is seething SKY had to go straight to the adverts what did masch say? i could'nt follow his accent, but Roy looked real p*ssed after that interview hahaha "I know Liverpool supporters were sad about my exit, but this is for them as too" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Ok relax Yes Barcelona are European champions and yes theyre probably the all-time greatest team So what Who are we signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 basically, Barcelona have elevated football to a new level, and the rest of the sport needs to realise this and try to adapt and, for the bigger sides, catch up. usually big successful sides influence the future of football and barcelona haven't really done that yet. it's like usain bolt destroying the 100m world record - it changes previously unchallenged truths and orthodoxies about what works and what doesn't. in that case it was that tall, rangy runners can't succeed at the 100m, it was powerfully built runners that coaches looked for, hence maurice green saying mark lewis francis had the ideal physique for 100m. nope. often when a good side has success lesser sides look at them to see what they can learn from it. shit managers like souness and allardyce see what mourinho and jacquet have done on the big stage and adapt it to their level. that's not really happened with barcelona. it might be that their philosophy is so deeply ingrained in the club culture, with xavi, messi, iniesta, pedro etc working their way up, that the only way other clubs can adapt it is to start at the academy level. so it might take a few years to see how this side changes the future of football. They owe so much to Cruijff as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). How is the Premiership inferior? They've had a team in the final three of the past four years and had two teams contest the final in 2008. I think Spain, Italy, Germany, France, etc. have better football cultures and styles of play than England, but no league competes with the top to bottom financial power of England, imo. Credit to Rooney, btw. He really showed well tonight and in the title decider with Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). How is the Premiership inferior? They've had a team in the final three of the past four years and had two teams contest the final in 2008. I think Spain, Italy, Germany, France, etc. have better football cultures and styles of play than England, but no league competes with the top to bottom financial power of England, imo. That's the thing, the Prem's success is built purely on (unsustainable?) financial muscle. It covers up a lot of problems with our game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 The usual orthodoxy in football is that a team is strong from the defence forward. Supposedly, you can't win trophies by being so good in attack that the opposition won't have enough of the ball to threaten your weaker defence. Barca are the only side I've seen who have made that philosophy work. In that sense, they're unique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). How is the Premiership inferior? They've had a team in the final three of the past four years and had two teams contest the final in 2008. I think Spain, Italy, Germany, France, etc. have better football cultures and styles of play than England, but no league competes with the top to bottom financial power of England, imo. That's the thing, the Prem's success is built purely on (unsustainable?) financial muscle. It covers up a lot of problems with our game. La Liga is the most in debt league in football http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/la-liga-debt-passes-three-billion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Atleast they're producing players though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 My point is that outside the top 4, English clubs have done fucking woeful in the uefa cup. That to me shows up big problems in terms if quality of the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Not to mention that we've seen Fulham and Boro in European Cup finals. Mediocre Prem clubs in finals. Means nothing that they didn't win. Just an extraordinary Barca team making everything else look very poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 England lags behind in technical ability and player development from all of the big guns. France and Germany have infinitely better financial models too. The Premiership is the best 'product' though, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Again, I believe tonight's game has showed how inferior the premiership is nowadays. Our teams just aren't good enough when our friends on the continent are technically better. Look at the uefa cup, only 1 English team has won it in last 15-20 years I believe (Liverpool in 2001). You can cherry pick whichever statistics you want. Another one is that there has been at least 1 English team in 5 of the last 6 European Cup finals. And most English teams treat the Europa League like a total inconvenience these days so what you're saying proves very little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 google reckons its only 53 minutes between Wembley and Surrey. At least the Man Utd fans don't have a long trip back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Not sure how the game tonight says anything about the quality of either league. Barca walked La Liga. Good game tonight. Enjoyed it. Highlight was Biscuits' face being pummelled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Enjoyed that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 England lags behind in technical ability and player development from all of the big guns. France and Germany have infinitely better financial models too. The Premiership is the best 'product' though, right? Best brand yes. Doesn't mean it's the best in terms of quality though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest young master Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Masch gets a dig in to Mancs that will go down well in Liverpool. Elsewhere G.Neville is seething SKY had to go straight to the adverts what did masch say? i could'nt follow his accent, but Roy looked real p*ssed after that interview hahaha "I know Liverpool supporters were sad about my exit, but this is for them as too" thats quality hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted May 28, 2011 Share Posted May 28, 2011 Disappointed. Was Giggs on the pitch? Was Hernandez on the pitch? Oh, yes, he was offside a few times. Seriously, the midfield wasn't existent today. Evra was poor. Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand and of course, Van der Saar are the only ones who looked like caring. Was a Man Utd fan for 90 minutes. Being a NUFC fan feels just sooooo much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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