Stifler Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 30 minutes ago, The Prophet said: He wasn't an ITK, but then "broke" the Gordon story back in January and said we'd be back in for Minteh. He's probably a bullshitter but his record is solid to date. Both of them were already reported. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 What usually happens with lads like Pizza Rob is they hear a snippet of info or two, then they fly too close to the sun chasing clout. A tale as old as time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Hasn’t he been injured all season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: What usually happens with lads like Pizza Rob is they hear a snippet of info or two, then they fly too close to the sun chasing clout. A tale as old as time. Isn't that what happened with Ando from on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 What was the point in Ashby if we're looking for a backup RB already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: I think Livramento would be great like. I think long term he's more likely to make it than Ashby. Send Manquillo or Krafth as bait. We haven’t really seen a lot of him to be fair with Trippier staying fit and obviously playing such a vital role. That could be an option, but I’d feel hard done-by if I were Ashby. Same with Minteh being linked - Ging gang kuoly definitely needs another spell out on loan possibly in the championship, but I’d be looking more towards the level of Diaby if we’re gonna make it more competitive for what is already an area that has the likes of Almiron and Murphy there. Our first signing would have to be Szoboszlai for me. He’ll be of Bruno’s quality from what I’ve seen along with a defensive midfielder, otherwise it will be bolstering up the squad with more quality in depth, but particularly in those two positions and left-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 13 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: What was the point in Ashby if we're looking for a backup RB already? Ashby goes on loan for the season, Livramento is class like, I wonder if he can play left back as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, KDT said: Ashby goes on loan for the season, Livramento is class like, I wonder if he can play left back as well. Aye but I mean what was the point in the Ashby signing? He's 22 in a few month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Could be just that what they've seen from Ashby so far hasn't been what they hoped and they want another iron in the fire. Ashby was cheap as fuck anyway, might just have been seen as a decent value buy and someone we expect we'll be able to make a profit on even if he doesn't become a first team player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Aye but I mean what was the point in the Ashby signing? He's 22 in a few month. 22 and played little to no senior football, a loan makes a lot of sense. Livramento is 2 years younger with a full PL season under his belt. We're in a position now where signings don't have to be instant starters, a year on loan in the Championship would be ideal for Ashby. Edited June 5, 2023 by KDT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Ashby came here presumably to play. West Ham fans have said he has done well when tried at premier league level, and should have had more game time under Moyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, KDT said: 22 and played little to no senior football, a loan makes a lot of sense. Livramento is 2 years younger with a full PL season under his belt. We're in a position now where signings don't have to be instant starters, a year on loan in the Championship would be ideal for Ashby. Yeah I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly. I assumed at the time Ashby was to be long term successor for Trippier. Kind of defeats the point if we're just going to get Livramento instead, as I assume he'd be ahead of Ashby in the pecking order. Kind of makes the Ashby signing pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Livramento would be absolutely class. Let's get Lavia and KWP/Salisu too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Never got the Ashby signing and I'll be amazed if he's here in a few years. Hardly made the bench this season and did he play more than once for the U23s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Yeah I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly. I assumed at the time Ashby was to be long term successor for Trippier. Kind of defeats the point if we're just going to get Livramento instead, as I assume he'd be ahead of Ashby in the pecking order. Kind of makes the Ashby signing pointless. I suppose things change, this time last year Livramento was at the start of a lengthy injury and not available, now he's back fit and his side have just been relegated. Ashby was brought in for peanuts really, if he had a good season on loan we could in theory sell him for a decent profit or just keep him around and have one of those 'squad' things. Anyway it's probably in this thread for a reason but if they see an opportunity come up regardless of what we already have in that area I think we look at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Ashby signing always looked dodgy as owt. Nowhere near the first team at WHU or us. He's the same age as Saka. Saka has played 5x the amount of games for England as Ashby has in Senior football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 To be fair, not all career arcs are identical and there's a line of thought that too much football at a young age can be a bad thing (Tielemans). I don't necessarily agree with that, but plenty of players have done well without playing a ton of football at youth level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: To be fair, not all career arcs are identical and there's a line of thought that too much football at a young age can be a bad thing (Tielemans). I don't necessarily agree with that, but plenty of players have done well without playing a ton of football at youth level. Name them. I think like 99% of players that have good careers, show something, at some senior level by 22. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Vardy, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, just off the top of my head. You can wait to find out if you're right in a couple of years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Even our own Trippier hasn't played a ton of senior football at this age. For what it's worth I'm not saying that regular playing time isn't beneficial at his age, it is. It's just all career arcs a different depending on the player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Vardy, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, just off the top of my head. You can wait to find out if you're right in a couple of years. These are 3 examples over a 40-year period btw. You can add Drogba too. Most of these were actually doing bits for non-league sides which earned them league moves. But again we are talking about less than 1%. 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Even our own Trippier hasn't played a ton of senior football at this age. For what it's worth I'm not saying that regular playing time isn't beneficial at his age, it is. It's just all career arcs a different depending on the player. By 22 Trippier had played almost 100 games for Championship clubs. Harrison has 7 senior appearances at any level. The point is the vast majority of players will have shown something, at some senior level by 22. And not doing anything at that level is a genuine concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here just over 4 months and cost £3m Edited June 5, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here just over 4 months He was also basically free. Super low risk signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here 5 months This is a football forum. It's to discuss football. We will wait and see. But we are here to talk football. We've got a 22 year-old RB deputising for arguably our best player... and he's barely kicked a pro football. That's worth discussing on this football forum. So yeh.. he's a year older than Livramento, who has had a significant injury but has shown actual ability and potential in senior football. I'd rather take the risk on him as first-team cover and get Ashby some experience elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) This forum overanalyses the Ashby transfer way too much. The guy was what, a couple million quid? If he succeeds, great. If he doesn't, no biggie. Edited June 5, 2023 by wormy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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