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I think Livramento would be great like. I think long term he's more likely to make it than Ashby. Send Manquillo or Krafth as bait. 

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30 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

He wasn't an ITK, but then "broke" the Gordon story back in January and said we'd be back in for Minteh. He's probably a bullshitter but his record is solid to date.

Both of them were already reported.

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2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

What usually happens with lads like Pizza Rob is they hear a snippet of info or two, then they fly too close to the sun chasing clout. 

 

A tale as old as time.

 

Isn't that what happened with Ando from on here? 

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15 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I think Livramento would be great like. I think long term he's more likely to make it than Ashby. Send Manquillo or Krafth as bait. 


We haven’t really seen a lot of him to be fair with Trippier staying fit and obviously playing such a vital role. That could be an option, but I’d feel hard done-by if I were Ashby.
 

Same with Minteh being linked - Ging gang kuoly definitely needs another spell out on loan possibly in the championship, but I’d be looking more towards the level of Diaby if we’re gonna make it more competitive for what is already an area that has the likes of Almiron and Murphy there. 
 

Our first signing would have to be Szoboszlai for me. He’ll be of Bruno’s quality from what I’ve seen along with a defensive midfielder, otherwise it will be bolstering up the squad with more quality in depth, but particularly in those two positions and left-back. 

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13 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

What was the point in Ashby if we're looking for a backup RB already?

Ashby goes on loan for the season, Livramento is class like, I wonder if he can play left back as well.

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Could be just that what they've seen from Ashby so far hasn't been what they hoped and they want another iron in the fire.

 

Ashby was cheap as fuck anyway, might just have been seen as a decent value buy and someone we expect we'll be able to make a profit on even if he doesn't become a first team player.

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6 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

Aye but I mean what was the point in the Ashby signing? He's 22 in a few month. 

22 and played little to no senior football, a loan makes a lot of sense. Livramento is 2 years younger with a full PL season under his belt.

 

We're in a position now where signings don't have to be instant starters, a year on loan in the Championship would be ideal for Ashby.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, KDT said:

22 and played little to no senior football, a loan makes a lot of sense. Livramento is 2 years younger with a full PL season under his belt.

 

We're in a position now where signings don't have to be instant starters, a year on loan in the Championship would be ideal for Ashby.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly.

 

I assumed at the time Ashby was to be long term successor for Trippier. Kind of defeats the point if we're just going to get Livramento instead, as I assume he'd be ahead of Ashby in the pecking order. Kind of makes the Ashby signing pointless.

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2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

Yeah I'm not sure if I'm explaining this properly.

 

I assumed at the time Ashby was to be long term successor for Trippier. Kind of defeats the point if we're just going to get Livramento instead, as I assume he'd be ahead of Ashby in the pecking order. Kind of makes the Ashby signing pointless.

 

I suppose things change, this time last year Livramento was at the start of a lengthy injury and not available, now he's back fit and his side have just been relegated. Ashby was brought in for peanuts really, if he had a good season on loan we could in theory sell him for a decent profit or just keep him around and have one of those 'squad' things. Anyway it's probably in this thread for a reason but if they see an opportunity come up regardless of what we already have in that area I think we look at it.

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To be fair, not all career arcs are identical and there's a line of thought that too much football at a young age can be a bad thing (Tielemans). I don't necessarily agree with that, but plenty of players have done well without playing a ton of football at youth level.

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2 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

To be fair, not all career arcs are identical and there's a line of thought that too much football at a young age can be a bad thing (Tielemans). I don't necessarily agree with that, but plenty of players have done well without playing a ton of football at youth level.

Name them.

 

I think like 99% of players that have good careers, show something, at some senior level by 22.

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Even our own Trippier hasn't played a ton of senior football at this age.

 

For what it's worth I'm not saying that regular playing time isn't beneficial at his age, it is. It's just all career arcs a different depending on the player.

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