The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Vardy, Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, just off the top of my head. You can wait to find out if you're right in a couple of years. These are 3 examples over a 40-year period btw. You can add Drogba too. Most of these were actually doing bits for non-league sides which earned them league moves. But again we are talking about less than 1%. 3 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Even our own Trippier hasn't played a ton of senior football at this age. For what it's worth I'm not saying that regular playing time isn't beneficial at his age, it is. It's just all career arcs a different depending on the player. By 22 Trippier had played almost 100 games for Championship clubs. Harrison has 7 senior appearances at any level. The point is the vast majority of players will have shown something, at some senior level by 22. And not doing anything at that level is a genuine concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here just over 4 months and cost £3m Edited June 5, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here just over 4 months He was also basically free. Super low risk signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Just the three most obvious examples that were off the top of my head, there are tons more. Why not just wait and see? He's been here 5 months This is a football forum. It's to discuss football. We will wait and see. But we are here to talk football. We've got a 22 year-old RB deputising for arguably our best player... and he's barely kicked a pro football. That's worth discussing on this football forum. So yeh.. he's a year older than Livramento, who has had a significant injury but has shown actual ability and potential in senior football. I'd rather take the risk on him as first-team cover and get Ashby some experience elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) This forum overanalyses the Ashby transfer way too much. The guy was what, a couple million quid? If he succeeds, great. If he doesn't, no biggie. Edited June 5, 2023 by wormy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Obviously a loan to a decent championship club would do the world of good. If he looks quality we keep him, if not sell him on for a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: This is a football forum. It's to discuss football. We will wait and see. But we are here to talk football. We've got a 22 year-old RB deputising for arguably our best player... and he's barely kicked a pro football. That's worth discussing on this football forum. So yeh.. he's a year older than Livramento, who has had a significant injury but has shown actual ability and potential in senior football. I'd rather take the risk on him as first-team cover and get Ashby some experience elsewhere. I'm not saying that to say don't talk about it though I'm just saying he's been here 5 minutes and cost barely anything. I don't get how any of it fits into the category of being a genuine concern, even if you're right and it turns out to be a failure. It's essentially a no-risk signing AFAIC, if it doesn't work out we haven't painted ourselves into a corner and can look elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I'm not saying that to say don't talk about it though I'm just saying he's been here 5 minutes and cost barely anything. I don't get how any of it fits into the category of being a genuine concern, even if you're right and it turns out to be a failure. It's essentially a no-risk signing AFAIC, if it doesn't work out we haven't painted ourselves into a corner and can look elsewhere. Where did I say it would be the end of the world? Now we are in the CL, we need genuine squad depth. People have suggested Ashby is a credible back-up for Trippier. I think that is overly optimistic based on the reasons I've outlined. Hence being happy to sign another RB. You've come swanning in talking about "Ah but there's an example from 1985 of a player being amazing to counter your argument". Like??? Yes the Ashby signing is low-risk. But we do actually need a genuine RB option to Trippier. Interesting to see how Krafth does in pre-season. 59 minutes ago, Rafalove said: Ashby came here presumably to play. West Ham fans have said he has done well at premier league level when tried and should have had more game time under Moyes. He's played 1 premier league game. Yes to Liveramento please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Where did I say it would be the end of the world? Now we are in the CL, we need genuine squad depth. People have suggested Ashby is a credible back-up for Trippier. I think that is overly optimistic based on the reasons I've outlined. Hence being happy to sign another RB. You've come swanning in talking about "Ah but there's an example from 1985 of a player being amazing to counter your argument". Like??? Again, they were just the few famous examples off the top of my head. Google it and there are tons of late bloomers in football, that's not even contentious. Posting about it fairly regularly and calling his lack of game time a 'genuine concern' is what makes me think you're maybe worrying over nothing in the context of it being a 5 month old signing that only cost £3m. Even if you're right it's still no big deal imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Think I'm right in saying Livramento can play LB too? Could be a fantastic replacement for Manquillo if so, only concern would be any potential impact of his long-term injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Again, they were just the few famous examples off the top of my head. Google it and there are tons of late bloomers in football, that's not even contentious. Posting about it fairly regularly and calling his lack of game time a 'genuine concern' is what makes me think you're maybe worrying over nothing in the context of it being a 5 month old signing that only cost £3m. Even if you're right it's still no big deal imo. And saying that 99% of players show something in men's football by age 22 is also not contentious. What about that is hard to understand? Well I've told you twice now I'm not overly worried about the lad - I don't know him, I don't care for him - so you can stop replying now. However, we need a genuine backup for Trippier—someone who could start 12-20 games next season for us if needed. So if I'm talking about that, you don't need to reply to me going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Someone is going to land max Aarons on the cheap this summer. We should be looking at that. Send Lewis back and Ashby on loan to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Walker peters would be good backup, can play both sides Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Mark Robinson, Carl Servant, Didier Domi Wayne Quinn, Danny Simpson, Andy Griffin, Ollie Barnard... All bought as a cheap FB options over the years. Some never played more then a handful of games others Champions League. Sometimes managers take a punt and it fails other times it works. But for 3million or whatever it was and a bloke who would be behind Trippier, Kraft it might be worth the gamble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 £4m wasn't cheap in 1998/9 tbf. Domi came with a bit of pedigree, he'd already played in a European final by the time we signed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 hour ago, RobsonsWonderland said: Mark Robinson, Carl Servant, Didier Domi Wayne Quinn, Danny Simpson, Andy Griffin, Ollie Barnard... All bought as a cheap FB options over the years. Some never played more then a handful of games others Champions League. Sometimes managers take a punt and it fails other times it works. But for 3million or whatever it was and a bloke who would be behind Trippier, Kraft it might be worth the gamble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: This is a football forum. It's to discuss football. We will wait and see. But we are here to talk football. We've got a 22 year-old RB deputising for arguably our best player... and he's barely kicked a pro football. That's worth discussing on this football forum. So yeh.. he's a year older than Livramento, who has had a significant injury but has shown actual ability and potential in senior football. I'd rather take the risk on him as first-team cover and get Ashby some experience elsewhere. I’ve never got the ‘it’s a football forum, we can discuss what we want’ angle Of course you can discuss what you want, but if someone’s opinions are a bit wild they are going to get a bit of comeback Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Championship I would take liveramento Alex Scott Maddison Lavia Barnes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 23 minutes ago, LV said: I’ve never got the ‘it’s a football forum, we can discuss what we want’ angle Of course you can discuss what you want, but if someone’s opinions are a bit wild they are going to get a bit of comeback That's fair enough. But my point is not a wild one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Panic already setting in on Twitter I guess if you sit stewing over our alleged transfer strategy and the "developments" journos churn out for their deadline, it will drive you a bit mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Panic already setting in on Twitter I guess if you sit stewing over our alleged transfer strategy and the "developments" journos churn out for their deadline, it will drive you a bit mad. Why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Why? Mainly flapping about us seemingly targetting domestic players rather than shopping abroad. Based on Edwards latest Tweet, I shit you not. I must have slipped into a alternative dimension where we didn't sign Botman, Bruno and Isak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 15 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Mainly flapping about us seemingly targetting domestic players rather than shopping abroad. Based on Edwards latest Tweet, I shit you not. I must have slipped into a alternative dimension where we didn't sign Botman, Bruno and Isak. Christ man some of our fans don't deserve what's happening to us. Think we've had the perfect balance of top European potential who are already quality, and the likes of Burn, Targett and Pope who know the league and have been assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 https://twitter.com/Bazro136/status/1665682973167964163?t=_mo0hkXkn50LUV2FGBbPVg&s=19 This account is one of the worst for it. Just constant whinging and bed wetting along with a load of anger Gives me a chuckle. Go and get yourself a bit sun ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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