Demba Ba (now retired)

[Wullie]

Maybe that's why he played on the left  during our best run of form in fifteen years?

[Guest NufcBano]

Maybe that's why he played on the left  during our best run of form in fifteen years?

 

For how long? 2? 3 games before he made it clear he wasnt prepared to do it anymore.

 

Or at least didnt like it one bit.

 

We were flying playing 4-3-3. It worked a treat....for about 5 mins unfortunately.

[Wullie]

Maybe that's why he played on the left  during our best run of form in fifteen years?

 

For how long? 2? 3 games before he made it clear he wasnt prepared to do it anymore.

 

Or at least didnt like it one bit.

 

We were flying playing 4-3-3. It worked a treat....for about 5 mins unfortunately.

 

Sorry, when was this exactly?

 

Try and stick to facts rather than baseless speculation - "he made it clear he wasn't prepared to do it anymore" ffs.

[Sifu]

I said a month ago that I can't see Ba going anywhere this summer. My view hasn't changed.

[Guest NufcBano]

Maybe that's why he played on the left  during our best run of form in fifteen years?

 

For how long? 2? 3 games before he made it clear he wasnt prepared to do it anymore.

 

Or at least didnt like it one bit.

 

We were flying playing 4-3-3. It worked a treat....for about 5 mins unfortunately.

 

Sorry, when was this exactly?

 

Try and stick to facts rather than baseless speculation - "he made it clear he wasn't prepared to do it anymore" ffs.

 

If it wasnt based on his attitude on the pitch, his reluctance to stay there and constant switching with Cisse, the fact he refused to shake Pardews hand when subbed, the fact he sat on the bench sulking when the team had just scored......or maybe for the reason Pardew mysteriously ditched the 4-3-3 and went for 4-4-2 numerous occasions after the WBA game.

 

I hope I am wrong. I hope Pardew thought 4-4-2 is a better system and had nothing to do with Demba. But considering it isnt as is mainly hoofball bollox, I have made some assumptions. I stand by them.

 

Basically either Pardew is insane in ditching the 4-3-3 for no reason.

 

or

 

It was because he wanted to try and keep Demba sweet

 

...i'll go for option 2. Feel free to differ.

[juniatmoko]

going to Europe with just 1 canny striker left that's suicide.. ba go? a big NO NO

[Guest NufcBano]

going to Europe with just 1 canny striker left that's suicide.. ba go? a big NO NO

 

For the record,  I dont want him to leave. We need that player who scored 15 in 15.

[Unbelievable]

going to Europe with just 1 canny striker left that's suicide.. ba go? a big NO NO

 

For the record,  I dont want him to leave. We need that player who scored 15 in 15.

 

Another one with a very strange way of showing their appreciation.

[madras]

going to Europe with just 1 canny striker left that's suicide.. ba go? a big NO NO

 

For the record,  I dont want him to leave. We need that player who scored 15 in 15.

 

Another one with a very strange way of showing their appreciation.

what i've been saying is what i think will happen, not what i want to happen or ought to happen. perhaps if a player plays well i should lie to myself ?

[Jayson]

I hope I am wrong. I hope Pardew thought 4-4-2 is a better system and had nothing to do with Demba. But considering it isnt as is mainly hoofball bollox, I have made some assumptions. I stand by them.

 

Basically either Pardew is insane in ditching the 4-3-3 for no reason.

 

or

 

It was because he wanted to try and keep Demba sweet

 

Pardew goes 4-4-2 because its harder to score against. He did it against Man Utd & Chelsea sucessfully, so its no suprise he tried the same against City & Everton. He relies on nullifying their attacks and using our quality down the other end, he has to do that due to the quality of our defence in comparison to that of the best sides. Its worked very well for us, doubt it has much to do with Demba.

 

[ponsaelius]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

[madras]

quite often i thought it was hard to tell between the two, especially at home.

[Zach]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

We did yeah, and that was a stupid mix up. I think 433 is probably better defensively because its so versatile, the fact the wingers can drop back to bolster the midfield is surely better defensively?

[Mole_Toonfan]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

Exactly its quite frankly rubbish that 4-4-2 is harder to score against if anything its more open than 4-3-3......

 

We also pass the ball alot better in 4-3-3 and as the old saying goes " if you dont have the ball you cant score"

 

I fail to see how 4-4-2 is more solid defensively..... the 4-3-3 goes into a more compact 4-5-1 without the ball aswell.

 

It's more flexible, fluid when going forward and compact when defending.... i fail to see a downside.

[madras]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

Exactly its quite frankly rubbish that 4-4-2 is harder to score against if anything its more open than 4-3-3......

 

We also pass the ball alot better in 4-3-3 and as the old saying goes " if you dont have the ball you cant score"

 

I fail to see how 4-4-2 is more solid defensively..... the 4-3-3 goes into a more compact 4-5-1 without the ball aswell.

 

It's more flexible, fluid when going forward and compact when defending.... i fail to see a downside.

it's more the personnel and their compatability to the system than the system itself. for all i've been saying all season about not playing two upfront, it's been more so down to what i believe would get the best out of the personnel we have rather than believing one system is generally better than another. given other players i may well think 4-4-2 may be better for us.

[ponsaelius]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

Exactly its quite frankly rubbish that 4-4-2 is harder to score against if anything its more open than 4-3-3......

 

We also pass the ball alot better in 4-3-3 and as the old saying goes " if you dont have the ball you cant score"

 

I fail to see how 4-4-2 is more solid defensively..... the 4-3-3 goes into a more compact 4-5-1 without the ball aswell.

 

It's more flexible, fluid when going forward and compact when defending.... i fail to see a downside.

it's more the personnel and their compatability to the system than the system itself. for all i've been saying all season about not playing two upfront, it's been more so down to what i believe would get the best out of the personnel we have rather than believing one system is generally better than another. given other players i may well think 4-4-2 may be better for us.

 

This absolutely. It suits the players, they're more confident in it and as a result we look more composed and fluid. The defence being better is just a byproduct of that.

[Mole_Toonfan]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

Exactly its quite frankly rubbish that 4-4-2 is harder to score against if anything its more open than 4-3-3......

 

We also pass the ball alot better in 4-3-3 and as the old saying goes " if you dont have the ball you cant score"

 

I fail to see how 4-4-2 is more solid defensively..... the 4-3-3 goes into a more compact 4-5-1 without the ball aswell.

 

It's more flexible, fluid when going forward and compact when defending.... i fail to see a downside.

it's more the personnel and their compatability to the system than the system itself. for all i've been saying all season about not playing two upfront, it's been more so down to what i believe would get the best out of the personnel we have rather than believing one system is generally better than another. given other players i may well think 4-4-2 may be better for us.

 

Yh i agree with that, but my post is generally aimed at the fact that in my belief our players are more suited to a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1/4-2-1-3.....

 

I know for the first half of the season we used 4-4-2 but we didnt have Cisse then, we didnt know Jonas could perform so well in a CM role, Ben Arfa was'nt match fit and of course due to Jonas new role it allowed to Cabaye to have more creative freedom and thus our best run of the season came....

 

I hope and expect we sign players next season aimed at playing 4-3-3.

[Jayson]

4-3-3 worked wonders defensively against Wigan, what was i thinking.

[ponsaelius]

4-3-3 worked wonders defensively against Wigan, what was i thinking.

 

20 minute sample. 

[Mole_Toonfan]

4-3-3 worked wonders defensively against Wigan, what was i thinking.

 

Yeah and 4-4-2 worked wonderfully against Spurs, Fulham etc etc didnt it? also basing a system's defensive structure on one game? seriously besides most of Wigans goals were due to individual errors and a wonder goal from Di Santo.

 

Nothing to do with systems and also how many teams in this division plays 3-5-2/3-4-3?

[Unbelievable]

4-3-3 worked wonders defensively against Wigan, what was i thinking.

 

Yeah and 4-4-2 worked wonderfully against Spurs, Fulham etc etc didnt it? also basing a system's defensive structure on one game? seriously besides most of Wigans goals were due to individual errors and a wonder goal from Di Santo.

 

Nothing to do with systems and also how many teams in this division plays 3-5-2/3-4-3?

 

Wasn't that the first time we played 433?

[madras]

Harder to score against. Didn't we concede 1 in 6 playing 4-3-3?

 

Exactly its quite frankly rubbish that 4-4-2 is harder to score against if anything its more open than 4-3-3......

 

We also pass the ball alot better in 4-3-3 and as the old saying goes " if you dont have the ball you cant score"

 

I fail to see how 4-4-2 is more solid defensively..... the 4-3-3 goes into a more compact 4-5-1 without the ball aswell.

 

It's more flexible, fluid when going forward and compact when defending.... i fail to see a downside.

it's more the personnel and their compatability to the system than the system itself. for all i've been saying all season about not playing two upfront, it's been more so down to what i believe would get the best out of the personnel we have rather than believing one system is generally better than another. given other players i may well think 4-4-2 may be better for us.

 

I'm a proper div, i agree with that, but my post is generally aimed at the fact that in my belief our players are more suited to a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1/4-2-1-3.....

 

I know for the first half of the season we used 4-4-2 but we didnt have Cisse then, we didnt know Jonas could perform so well in a CM role, Ben Arfa was'nt match fit and of course due to Jonas new role it allowed to Cabaye to have more creative freedom and thus our best run of the season came....

 

I hope and expect we sign players next season aimed at playing 4-3-3.

since we signed marveaux i wanted and was expecting 4-3-3/4-3-2-1 with marveaux/ben arfa playing in and around  ba. with injuries that wasn't to be but i still think that is the best way fulfill ben arfa's potential.

[Zach]

I thought the 1st time we tried 433 was at home against QPR iirc. (Correct me if im wrong like).

[madras]

I thought the 1st time we tried 433 was at home against QPR iirc. (Correct me if im wrong like).

with best very wide left.

[Mole_Toonfan]

4-3-3 worked wonders defensively against Wigan, what was i thinking.

 

Yeah and 4-4-2 worked wonderfully against Spurs, Fulham etc etc didnt it? also basing a system's defensive structure on one game? seriously besides most of Wigans goals were due to individual errors and a wonder goal from Di Santo.

 

Nothing to do with systems and also how many teams in this division plays 3-5-2/3-4-3?

 

Wasn't that the first time we played 433?

 

Pretty sure we played 4-4-2 in the second half? correct me if iam wrong because i was out doing family stuff that day and missed it and based my opinion on MOTD

 

If iam wrong i'll take that part back but still the point stands..... blaming a big score line is silly as most of the team this season we have lost due to individual mistakes..... not due to system faults.

 

Although 4-3-3 is better for us and i stand by that.