Tooj Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Somebody like Wenger is mental for not trying to buy him this summer. Can't see him going to Liverpool though as he won't play wide left, as you can't imagine Suarez would want to either. Why is Wenger mental?, Ba would never fit into a system like arsenal, their fowards inter-change and move all over the place, most importantly they are comfortable on the ball when they receive it which is used to bring midfielders into play. Ba's strengths are not those attributes. Ba's movement is quality and with his finishing and the chances he'd get at Arsenal he'd score a hatful for them. Plus there's the fact he's quite cheap and Premier League proven. Whereas it will take time for Giroud to settle as we are seeing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Somebody like Wenger is mental for not trying to buy him this summer. Can't see him going to Liverpool though as he won't play wide left, as you can't imagine Suarez would want to either. Why is Wenger mental?, Ba would never fit into a system like arsenal, their fowards inter-change and move all over the place, most importantly they are comfortable on the ball when they receive it which is used to bring midfielders into play. Ba's strengths are not those attributes. Eh? Have you seen who Arsenal have upfront? Ba's movement and ability on the ball is superior to Giroud, Walcott, Gervinho and Chamakh. That's without even mentioning all the other things he's better at. they usually play with one man upfront, Ba is a better finisher for sure , but you seriously think he would fit in as the main foward in a arsenal system? he would have to interchange move about, thats not his game, and his ability on the ball is less than average, how often do you see Demba Ba receive a ball and successfully pass to a team mate? not very often. and he's not very good at holding the ball up either. his strengths are getting on the end of long balls and crosses to convert towards goal, something that arsenal dont do very much. His strengths only look that way because of the way we play. He's a lot more of an intelligent mover and technical player than all of Arsenal's forwards apart from Podolski. He'd fit into that team easily and be a massive improvement on most of the idiots in their forward line. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and I guarentee every Arsenal fan would agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Ba would score 30+ as the main striker behind Cazorla, Wilshere, Podolski etc etc. We saw how much of an intelligent player Ba is when he played on the left he created havoc with his off the ball movement which is one of the reasons Ba-Cisse-Ben Arfa was so frightening. He does have an inconsistent first touch but he has a lot more to his game more then getting on the end of long balls etc. So yeah Wenger was a bit nuts tbh. There must be more to this clause because 7m quite frankly is robbery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Ba would score 30+ as the main striker behind Cazorla, Wilshere, Podolski etc etc. We saw how much of an intelligent player Ba is when he played on the left he created havoc with his off the ball movement which is one of the reasons Ba-Cisse-Ben Arfa was so frightening. He does have an inconsistent first touch but he has a lot more to his game more then getting on the end of long balls etc. So yeah Wenger was a bit nuts tbh. There must be more to this clause because 7m quite frankly is robbery. 30 goals +? im pretty sure most team above arsenal would had snapped him up already regardless how much he would cost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Somebody like Wenger is mental for not trying to buy him this summer. Can't see him going to Liverpool though as he won't play wide left, as you can't imagine Suarez would want to either. Why is Wenger mental?, Ba would never fit into a system like arsenal, their fowards inter-change and move all over the place, most importantly they are comfortable on the ball when they receive it which is used to bring midfielders into play. Ba's strengths are not those attributes. Ba's movement is quality and with his finishing and the chances he'd get at Arsenal he'd score a hatful for them. Plus there's the fact he's quite cheap and Premier League proven. Whereas it will take time for Giroud to settle as we are seeing. what movement are you talking about, him on the ball? we dont see that much, we hardly ever get to see him do 1-2's with our style of play, his movement is great when it comes to running onto the 2nd balls(head-ons, flick-ons, stray passes and loose balls) as a result from mostly longballs and crosses. Something that the gooners dont do very often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Still can't get my head around the fact some wouldn't mind him leaving for £7m because 'we could buy someone more suited to the team', he is our main striker as much as I love Cisse. Not being fussed about him moving for the fee Jordan Rhodes or Jay Rodriguez goes for is absolutely mental, no dressing it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Somebody like Wenger is mental for not trying to buy him this summer. Can't see him going to Liverpool though as he won't play wide left, as you can't imagine Suarez would want to either. Why is Wenger mental?, Ba would never fit into a system like arsenal, their fowards inter-change and move all over the place, most importantly they are comfortable on the ball when they receive it which is used to bring midfielders into play. Ba's strengths are not those attributes. Eh? Have you seen who Arsenal have upfront? Ba's movement and ability on the ball is superior to Giroud, Walcott, Gervinho and Chamakh. That's without even mentioning all the other things he's better at. they usually play with one man upfront, Ba is a better finisher for sure , but you seriously think he would fit in as the main foward in a arsenal system? he would have to interchange move about, thats not his game, and his ability on the ball is less than average, how often do you see Demba Ba receive a ball and successfully pass to a team mate? not very often. and he's not very good at holding the ball up either. his strengths are getting on the end of long balls and crosses to convert towards goal, something that arsenal dont do very much. dont get me wrong im not calling Ba lazy, because he works hard to chase after the ball when we dont have it. he's a pure poacher and i dont mean it in a derogatory way. Wat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I think someone put something in littlelunchbox's littlelunchbox. Out of order if you ask me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Ba would score 30+ as the main striker behind Cazorla, Wilshere, Podolski etc etc. We saw how much of an intelligent player Ba is when he played on the left he created havoc with his off the ball movement which is one of the reasons Ba-Cisse-Ben Arfa was so frightening. He does have an inconsistent first touch but he has a lot more to his game more then getting on the end of long balls etc. So yeah Wenger was a bit nuts tbh. There must be more to this clause because 7m quite frankly is robbery. 30 goals +? im pretty sure most team above arsenal would had snapped him up already regardless how much he would cost. IMO he would yes in all comps btw and in any case because he's that good don't mean Arsenal would snap him up we have seen how Wenger works over the years he's made some pretty strange decisions to say the least to go with the genius ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I wouldn't agree with everything Little Lunch Box has said, but the basic point is valid. Wenger wants a striker with pace, movement and technique. Ba's chief asset is his strength, and he's just not what Arsenal are looking for. Having said that, Wenger is still left with a problem, because I suspect the kind of striker that Wenger wants is out of reach, given Arsenal's limited budget. Early days, but I don't think Giroud is the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Whatever you say about his attitude, adaptability to formations, allround game etc; 30 goals in 55 Prem appearances since he came over from Germany Aside from his contract posturing he's been one of our best ever buys IMO given the relative lack of cost attached. Can't fault him at all on-field, and really that's only where it matters. I'll be pretty fucked off if we bin him in Jan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It is true. Demba Bas linkup play isn't that good, movement is good though, and he knows how to create a chance for himself. But he is really ballhappy player who thrives on scoring goals, and hardly on making them as we've seen. Papiss seems like the exact same guy, with little less trickery in the coffin but maybe an ounce more of other stuff. There is a reason why both of them play alot better when Shola is on the field, as the one or the other can do what they like best, play as that last man, the main man who's supposed to score goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Best striker signing since Bellamy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Would be gutted if we sold Demba, he's indispensable to us at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. How do you know that he wasn't? I just don't think he liked playing there period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Best striker signing since Bellamy? http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/pa/2007/06/pa51742_175x175.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba Ba is a class player, our problem is that he wasn't managed into the left of a front 3, he was just pushed into the position. He was as good when playing in that position as he was when played centrally, he just didn't have the luck. He should have been told that he was playing brilliantly to keep his confidence up because he was playing brilliantly without getting the goals his game deserved. Ba is clearly a player who needs confidence like most forwards and he seemed short on that at the end of last season. Anybody who thinks we'd easily replace him is mad. How do you know that he wasn't? I just don't think he liked playing there period. I didn't see any proof of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 It's just your anti-Pardew agenda eeking through again. Don't over-think it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1206725/demba-ba-may-miss-liverpool-match?cc=5739 Not much new there tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba was playing absolutley fine on the left for the first 6 or 7 games. It simply wasnt a problem he wasnt scoring. I just think he doesnt want to play there and has obviously made that clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Demba and Cisse need to be able to play together. As a team we need to be able to say we have two strikers who will both score. Both can contribute in the same game and defenders have 2 world class strikers to contain when playing us. This obviously needs to be balanced with the likes of getting the best from HBA, Cabaye, Tiote etc. I can see why Pardew wants this 442 to click at times, if we have Ba and Cisse scoring together in a partnership we needn't worry about what formation we play. Ultimately I think I'm starting to think we need to be working towards more of a diamond 442, with Ben Arfa behind the front 2, Cabaye and whoever linking defence and attack, and feeding some attacking fullbacks down the wings with Cheick sitting. Only thing missing for me is a RB that can do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I would argue it's back to front but you are from Australia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ba Cisse HBA Jonas Cabaye Tiote Santon Colo Saylor Anita Krul That could work? Its what I have been saying for ages, it put Benny central where he has freedom to create in a lot more space and means Ba & Cisse are also not pushed out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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