Sylvain Marveaux - arrested

[loki679]

I'm sorry Brett, do we know what goes on within the squad and the club now?  Earlier we couldn't have an opinion because 'we don't know what happens' yet now you seem to have the inside track on the happy happy joy club at NUFC. 

[BrettNUFC]

I'm sorry Brett, do we know what goes on within the squad and the club now?  Earlier we couldn't have an opinion because 'we don't know what happens' yet now you seem to have the inside track on the happy happy joy club at NUFC. 

 

Fucking hell, you could say this about any manager of any club

 

When big bust ups come about or players end up in reserves, word usually gets out in the press. Pardew hasn't had many cases of this or no more than what other managers do. Sure nobody kicked up this storm when Pochettino binned his star signing, there was no question of poor man management then.

 

I just don’t see how people say Pardew has a reputation for falling out with players here when I can’t think of anything major. Him and Colo had one but resolved it all fairly quickly.

[loki679]

I'm sorry Brett, do we know what goes on within the squad and the club now?  Earlier we couldn't have an opinion because 'we don't know what happens' yet now you seem to have the inside track on the happy happy joy club at NUFC. 

 

Fucking hell, you could say this about any manager of any club

 

When big bust ups come about or players end up in reserves, word usually gets out in the press. Pardew hasn't had many cases of this or no more than what other managers do. Sure nobody kicked up this storm when Pochettino binned his star signing, there was no question of poor man management then.

 

I just don’t see how people say Pardew has a reputation for falling out with players here when I can’t think of anything major. Him and Colo had one but resolved it all fairly quickly.

 

Word did get out in the press and you said: 

 

Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened.

[BrettNUFC]

I'm sorry Brett, do we know what goes on within the squad and the club now?  Earlier we couldn't have an opinion because 'we don't know what happens' yet now you seem to have the inside track on the happy happy joy club at NUFC. 

 

f***ing hell, you could say this about any manager of any club

 

When big bust ups come about or players end up in reserves, word usually gets out in the press. Pardew hasn't had many cases of this or no more than what other managers do. Sure nobody kicked up this storm when Pochettino binned his star signing, there was no question of poor man management then.

 

I just don’t see how people say Pardew has a reputation for falling out with players here when I can’t think of anything major. Him and Colo had one but resolved it all fairly quickly.

 

Word did get out in the press and you said: 

 

Well he's the one in charge and he's not going to do it just for the fun of it. Say back in school and your mate gets put in detention in another classroom, it's safe to assume the teacher has his reasons even though you don't know what happened.

 

What's your point? I've said i'm not taking Pardew's side or Marv's side here because i don't know the ins and outs. From what has been mentioned in the press Pardew has seemed fair with the players off the pitch. He's give them extended time off, he's let them travel home, he gave Ranger umpteen chances to improve. Marv's been here a while now and this is the first time it's been reported he's done this kind of thing to him. What the exact reasons are i don't know but i'm willing to accept it, not kick up a fuss regarding it and wait till more info on the matter is given rather than jumping to defend Marv and slag off Pardew or vise versa.

[RR15]

Let the quotes do the talking, I like it.

 

Evidence presented.

[BrettNUFC]

I think if any player of any club gets made to train with the reserves/youth side, you have to accept the managers viewpoint as you don't know the ins and outs of it all.

 

 

What's your point? I've said i'm not taking Pardew's side or Marv's side here because i don't know the ins and outs.

 

As i've said before.....accepted the decision and just forget about it till more info on the reasons behind it are given. Like that classroom analogy, if you think the teacher is a cunt, that doesn’t mean to say your mate is innocent. You just have to accept punishment has been made for him and walk away till you here from someone else what actually happened then determine if the teacher was right or not. If he was right, the teacher is still a cunt but you know your mates been a bellend.

[DJ_NUFC]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The mitigating factor is that Marveaux was never proven to be useful, sort of. Not that he ever had a fair chance.

[DJ_NUFC]

Done more than Shola.

[Ikon]

His creativity is what kept us up last season!

[TRon]

The mitigating factor is that Marveaux was never proven to be useful, sort of. Not that he ever had a fair chance.

 

He can beat a player, is a good passer and has an eye for goal. Now he might not be someone you rely on week in week out, but if you put him in the right part of the pitch and get the ball to him I would think he could produce something worthwhile. Especially with two defensive midfielders behind him. But like I said earlier, if you want someone for tackling in your own half there are far better suited players.

[BrettNUFC]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

[Guest bimpy474]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

[BrettNUFC]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

 

He started the first two home games of the season and was shite 

[TRon]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

 

He didn't pick him much last season either.

[Ikon]

Gullit is twice the man Pardew will ever be!

[Interpolic]

Add "Teacher's pet" to the list then.

[Guest bimpy474]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

 

He started the first two home games of the season and was shite 

 

6 months ago ffs. We played Man City away and by our gutless manager own admission basically gave the game up.

 

But is suppose you're not sticking up for Pardew again though.

[BrettNUFC]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

 

He started the first two home games of the season and was s**** 

 

6 months ago ffs. We played Man City away and by our gutless manager own admission basically gave to game up.

 

But is suppose you're not sticking up for Pardew again though.

 

I was dissapointed in Marv myself let alone Pardew. West Ham/Fulham after steering clear of injury over the summer should have been perfect for him but he was poor and failed to shine. I remember Sammy coming on and doing more in his cameo role than Marv had all game. Who is to blame for that?

 

And tbh without sounding all itk, i was at a family meal after Man City i think it was and Jonas was there who was saying Marv had come back like a new player over the summer and had been excellent in training. So he clearly had been showing signs and Pardew gave him his opportunity. What happened after that is anyone's guess but two home games against poor opposition and showed nothing. Yet saying this, Ben Arfa was like a one man team in both of those games and that still hasn't done him too many favours.

[Interpolic]

http://imgur.com/EOezJQ2.jpg

 

The guy's been given chance after chance but he's unfortunately proven himself to be much poorer/lazier/weaker/poncier than those ahead of him.  Get rid.

[taxfree]

Wasn't on about that. I marked out the falling out part. He certainly have a history for it. The way he keeps blaming the players, and keep out the good ones from the starting eleven, I'm not sure the dressing room is all that strong. Surely they've called him out on the bullshitter he is by now.

 

Who has he fell out with then? I've named a few i can think of. Obviously every manager will have disagreements with players but don't think Pardew has a reputation here for arguing with players. He's kept majority of players in check and hasn't resorted to this kind of thing often, so i'm sure the decision wasn't taken lightly.

 

That West Ham article in the Daily Mail that have been mentioned before is pretty telling.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-421908/Pardew-lost-dressing-room.html

 

 

 

Pardew told them that he was already a millionaire and didn't need to work, but told the players that they "earned £30,000 a week and were only in it for the money".

He meant that he was only in football because he loved the game, but his comments were misinterpreted and taken by some of the influential players as a sign of arrogance.

 

 

 

When Alan Pardew left West Ham's players scratching their heads before they boarded the team bus to Bolton last Friday, some of the squad began to openly question how much longer he could remain in charge of the club.

They were stunned when he announced before training that the inexperienced left-back George McCartney and rookie defender James Collins would be marking Bolton's muscular strikeforce of El Hadji Diouf and Kevin Davies, their fate was sealed before they even arrived at the Reebok.

 

 

 

So many similarities in that article compared to today, it's scary.

 

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Yeahhhh, Brett. No.

 

Rob Lee was mopping the floors under Gullit if I recall. Usually when such measures are taken without a glaring, public indiscipline from the player's side, it's a dodgy, shady tactic, usually resulting from a strange personal vendetta from the manager's side.

 

I'd feel the same with any manager unless they were a complete dick who often did this and banish players from the team for their own ego.

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

I was sticking up for Adebayor during AVB's reign at Spurs. Certain managers you feel deliberatly go into a club and target a particular player. Why would Pardew wait all this time before deciding to put Marv in the youth, he's had had far worse starting and cameo performances than Spurs but hasn't been put in the youth side.

 

He hasn't had the chance to have a go at him, he hasn't picked him all season up until now.

 

He started the first two home games of the season and was s**** 

 

6 months ago ffs. We played Man City away and by our gutless manager own admission basically gave to game up.

 

But is suppose you're not sticking up for Pardew again though.

 

I was dissapointed in Marv myself let alone Pardew. West Ham/Fulham after steering clear of injury over the summer should have been perfect for him but he was poor and failed to shine. I remember Sammy coming on and doing more in his cameo role than Marv had all game. Who is to blame for that?

 

And tbh without sounding all itk, i was at a family meal after Man City i think it was and Jonas was there who was saying Marv had come back like a new player over the summer and had been excellent in training. So he clearly had been showing signs and Pardew gave him his opportunity. What happened after that is anyone's guess but two home games against poor opposition and showed nothing. Yet saying this, Ben Arfa was like a one man team in both of those games and that still hasn't done him too many favours.

 

While none of us know exactly what has happened. It really isn't hard to see why this lad struggles in a team set up by Pardew. We are too defensive and it'll only get worse alienating our best attacking players, we aren't even set up to attack in any way. It's all ad hoc made up shit.

 

There's no one left to create that bit of magic Pardew so loves. It's going to be 70 minutes of trying to stay in the games, then.........fuck knows.

[The College Dropout]

 

Guillit was a dick so you could assume he was driving people out to boost his ego.

 

 

To be fair to Ruud he had the decency to resign.

And he is Ruud fucking Gullit.

[Hanshithispantz]

You cannot blame a lad for not setting the game alight when he hasn't played in about half a year.

 

He should be banging on the managers door, demanding to be played, putting in 100% in training. I bet he's not.

Err, I suppose he should be, aye.

 

It's a moot point though as he shouldn't have been left out in the cold in the first place. And playing players who look good in trining and are banging on the managers door everyday is why we're playing Shola Ameobi.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

On the other hand, it's hard to succeed playing players who don't look good in training and don't show desire. I'm not saying this is Marv, but in theory.