Ronaldo Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I must say, that's an appallingly bad lineup. That front 3 must only have a combined 30 goals since signing professional terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I must say, that's an appallingly bad lineup. That front 3 must only have a combined 30 goals since signing professional terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I must say, that's an appallingly bad lineup. That front 3 must only have a combined 30 goals since signing professional terms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 well that is the problem yes. I was just trying to solve the problem everyone was having fitting Guti and Marveaux in same team, it's hardly a fucking 1-7-3 or something is it :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 It's not a problem, you just play Marveaux on one side and Jonas on the other, depending chiefly on who's behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 well that is the problem yes. I was just trying to solve the problem everyone was having fitting Guti and Marveaux in same team, it's hardly a fucking 1-7-3 or something is it :| Drop Obertan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliGupter Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 well that is the problem yes. I was just trying to solve the problem everyone was having fitting Guti and Marveaux in same team, it's hardly a f***ing 1-7-3 or something is it :| Drop Obertan... This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 So simple Krul Simpson - Colo - Saylor - Santon or anyone except Perch Guti - Tiote - Cabaye - Marv HBA Best/BA Not fucking maths is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hmmm in relation to Cabaye thread where someone propose HBA as a trequarista a la messi (which i think is probably too ambitious atm) but wondering if this would allow Marveaux a better role, see krul Simp Colo taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Marveaux Obertan HBA Gutierrez Marveaux is a winger, despite the claims of many of this boards members (who based their opinions of Marveaux on a collection of tweets from an English, Ligue 1 'journalist'). Hatem Ben Arfa is no striker... Or on the multiple videos there are of him around the net, where he doesn't once get to the byline and put a cross over from the left, which is the phrase people initially took issue with when you said it. Not saying he never ever does it, or is incapable of doing it, but there are significantly more occasions on those clips where he's playing from the middle or cutting in from the right to either provide an assist or score a goal himself. Also a surprising number of good free-kick goals as well... and even a header from a corner. (This isn't all in one compilation, unfortunately, much of it you have to trawl an official Stade Rennais channel and wade through the interviews to find the clips.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The header in the compilations was actually from Joris Marveaux, his brother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The header in the compilations was actually from Joris Marveaux, his brother. Ah, I did wonder at the time like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Aye, bit of a giveaway when it's being scored against Rennes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 On Tapatalk so can't check easily, but that's a real kick in the nads if true. I'm sure the rest still stands, mind, although you've made me doubt all of that as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Not gonna help me out on that one though, are we Sewell? Just leave me hanging, that's right. Bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hmmm in relation to Cabaye thread where someone propose HBA as a trequarista a la messi (which i think is probably too ambitious atm) but wondering if this would allow Marveaux a better role, see krul Simp Colo taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Marveaux Obertan HBA Gutierrez Marveaux is a winger, despite the claims of many of this boards members (who based their opinions of Marveaux on a collection of tweets from an English, Ligue 1 'journalist'). Hatem Ben Arfa is no striker... Or on the multiple videos there are of him around the net, where he doesn't once get to the byline and put a cross over from the left, which is the phrase people initially took issue with when you said it. Not saying he never ever does it, or is incapable of doing it, but there are significantly more occasions on those clips where he's playing from the middle or cutting in from the right to either provide an assist or score a goal himself. Also a surprising number of good free-kick goals as well... and even a header from a corner. (This isn't all in one compilation, unfortunately, much of it you have to trawl an official Stade Rennais channel and wade through the interviews to find the clips.) The clips on the internet? Geeze. Not saying I've seen him play extensively, but YouTube is hardly something to judge a player on, is it? Whenever I saw Rennes games that he featured (mainly the season before last) he was basically one the touchline, and imo, this is where he played best. A lot of the time he did move inside (onto his right) he was dispossessed. I've not seem him play on the right, so can't comment. Personally, I'd like to see him used a winger, supplying Best with horizontal/diagonal passes, playing one-twos with HBA and laying the ball off for Cabaye... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 It's more to base an opinion on than either just taking your word or listening to a "collection of tweets from an English, Ligue 1 'journalist', surely? Although again it's a seriously flawed method overall, no disputing that. I think the main point here is that due to your track record people are simply very hesitant to believe anything you say, including your opinion on Marveaux, which is a shame really. The fact you keep dragging it up is hardly helping things, either. Time will tell, at least have the good grace to allow that to be the case. You might prove to be absolutely correct and he may prove to be a great left-winger (where's madras?) for us, and I hope that's the case, but I don't think people are necessarily wrong for feeling he may be of equal/more potency played out right or more centrally based on a selection of clips, tweets and what they've seen of him so far at NUFC. Especially, again, when the alternative is your opinion. Ideally we'll have a three in behind a striker who can switch around all over the place and be effective anywhere in different ways, or a two either side/behind the striker/s who can do the same. Fortunately this does look like it might be a very realistic hope and we may see some very attractive football this season because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hmmm in relation to Cabaye thread where someone propose HBA as a trequarista a la messi (which i think is probably too ambitious atm) but wondering if this would allow Marveaux a better role, see krul Simp Colo taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Marveaux Obertan HBA Gutierrez Marveaux is a winger, despite the claims of many of this boards members (who based their opinions of Marveaux on a collection of tweets from an English, Ligue 1 'journalist'). Hatem Ben Arfa is no striker... Or on the multiple videos there are of him around the net, where he doesn't once get to the byline and put a cross over from the left, which is the phrase people initially took issue with when you said it. Not saying he never ever does it, or is incapable of doing it, but there are significantly more occasions on those clips where he's playing from the middle or cutting in from the right to either provide an assist or score a goal himself. Also a surprising number of good free-kick goals as well... and even a header from a corner. (This isn't all in one compilation, unfortunately, much of it you have to trawl an official Stade Rennais channel and wade through the interviews to find the clips.) At Forest on Tuesday his first move was almost always inside when faced with a defender. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 His best position is left midfield - no doubt. He's basically our only winger with good crosses on hand. When Santon is back, i'd love for Jonás to switch to the right, while Marveaux takes Jonás' place on the left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 His best position is left midfield - no doubt. He's basically our only winger with good crosses on hand. When Santon is back, i'd love for Jonás to switch to the right, while Marveaux takes Jonás' place on the left. Because you don't rate Obertan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 His best position is left midfield - no doubt. He's basically our only winger with good crosses on hand. When Santon is back, i'd love for Jonás to switch to the right, while Marveaux takes Jonás' place on the left. Because you don't rate Obertan? I don't rate Obertan. That doesn't take away the facts that Jonás played right midfield before, and that Marveaux is a top left winger. Both Jonás and Marveaux are more or less proven better than Obertan. It's worth a shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Of course it is. Seems like people are ignoring the fact he used to play as a right winger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Hmmm in relation to Cabaye thread where someone propose HBA as a trequarista a la messi (which i think is probably too ambitious atm) but wondering if this would allow Marveaux a better role, see krul Simp Colo taylor Santon Tiote Cabaye Marveaux Obertan HBA Gutierrez Marveaux is a winger, despite the claims of many of this boards members (who based their opinions of Marveaux on a collection of tweets from an English, Ligue 1 'journalist'). Hatem Ben Arfa is no striker... Or on the multiple videos there are of him around the net, where he doesn't once get to the byline and put a cross over from the left, which is the phrase people initially took issue with when you said it. Not saying he never ever does it, or is incapable of doing it, but there are significantly more occasions on those clips where he's playing from the middle or cutting in from the right to either provide an assist or score a goal himself. Also a surprising number of good free-kick goals as well... and even a header from a corner. (This isn't all in one compilation, unfortunately, much of it you have to trawl an official Stade Rennais channel and wade through the interviews to find the clips.) The clips on the internet? Geeze. Not saying I've seen him play extensively, but YouTube is hardly something to judge a player on, is it? Whenever I saw Rennes games that he featured (mainly the season before last) he was basically one the touchline, and imo, this is where he played best. A lot of the time he did move inside (onto his right) he was dispossessed. I've not seem him play on the right, so can't comment. Personally, I'd like to see him used a winger, supplying Best with horizontal/diagonal passes, playing one-twos with HBA and laying the ball off for Cabaye... Marvx is a modern day left mid fielder, supports plays well but often drifts all over the pitch in the attacking half. That from watching him in the ligue in 2008 and 2009 However that was when he is at Rennes where he was surrounded with flair players. From my observation in the few games he played for us, i am quite happy to see him still drifting about.... Certainly its his key strength as he quite difficult to mark and could often spring surprises to make a game changer. Imo A player with a superb football brain however very injury prone....and a suspect for defending. If we ever needed a Nolan replacement in goals, Marvx will be the person... If he starts regularly, he would probably score more than Cabaye , since he drifts into strikers positions as though he is one. Oh yeah,not as effective on the right but tidy at passing and keeping the game ticking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Id start Jonas ahead of Obertan...personally i think we will get a good string of games out of Obertan then sell him tbh, not going to be a long term prospect for us...Jonas is older and i think is more settled and more likely to stay longer. Id rather get an XI sorted with Jonas...Obertan as in impact sub could be very handy too. Guessing alot of people disagree like but tis my personal thought Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Id start Jonas ahead of Obertan...personally i think we will get a good string of games out of Obertan then sell him tbh, not going to be a long term prospect for us...Jonas is older and i think is more settled and more likely to stay longer. Id rather get an XI sorted with Jonas...Obertan as in impact sub could be very handy too. Guessing alot of people disagree like but tis my personal thought Jonas isn't likely to stay longer at all. He'll be off in the summer I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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