NG32 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The Mag claiming the club are now offering cheaper 5 year season ticket deals, only thing is there is no get out option. You are signed in for 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It's very much Americanization of the sport. Remove the competitive edge, regard it as entertainment, be happy that it's cheap. It's all unfolding and it's f***ing tragic. American sports are way ahead of us when it comes to having a proper competition. Only been to NBA, but the experience was much more about entertainment, consumption and the event in itself rather than passionate support for either team. Well they have a different culture, they have a concert in the middle of the Superbowl which delays the 2nd half by 20 minutes. In terms of competition though ours is too warped financially to really be called sport IMO, it's ironic that the Americans recognise that financial equality is needed but us socialists in Europe are going the other way, we even have clubs being run by nation states. I look at clubs in Sweden, where club ownership is restricted by the "51% rule", a socialist-initiated legislation (prevents third parties from controlling clubs) and I see supporters much less alienated from the sport and their clubs. I even attended a seminar this weekend on how supporters can work with their club to build things mutually and be involved (arranged by AIK). Fans influence on the game is completley different here, they are part of the club, not customers to it. I think it preserves some values that are currently being lost in European football, which is moving towards the American way of support. The money isn't there in the same way, which limits Swedish football and the quality of it, but there is a much more dynamic feel to the competitive dimension and the supporters' influence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Fans being suspicious of Mike Ashley is an entirely sensible and proper opinion. From the Keegan Judgement October 2009. “The club's explanation for these statements, which, on their case, were simply untrue, was that they were nothing more than an exercise in public relations carried out so as not to undermine Mr Keegan's position and made necessary, in the first place, by statements made by Mr Keegan himself to the press. We found this explanation to be profoundly unsatisfactory. “We do not understand why the club could not set out publicly and truthfully what they maintain was the true position. After all, Mr Ashley's vision for the club involved a change to a Continental structure and it is clear from the evidence that there are managers of some Continental clubs who do not have the final say. “For the club to have made these statements, when they were, according to the club, untrue, was, in our view, simply to store up trouble for the future.” "You want to know the parameters of the job and they keep changing, and you're not allowed to do what you think's feasible or logical then it becomes very difficult to do your job as well as you can and at the minute the job has been done well terrifically well." Colin Calderwood following the sacking of Hughton December 2010. “They can put together whatever they like. He is not for sale. I am going to say it for one last time, he is not for sale,” Alan Pardew 17 Jan 2011 in response to a proposed £30m pound Tottenham bid for Andy Carroll. "You guys don’t understand how f****** horrible we can be.” Managing Director Derek Llambias November 2011. "I will not let any player leave Newcastle United in this transfer window" Director of Football Joe Kinnear 8 days before Cabaye's transfer to PSG. All in a nutshell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The Mag claiming the club are now offering cheaper 5 year season ticket deals, only thing is there is no get out option. You are signed in for 5 years. Unless you cancel the direct debit of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 It's very much Americanization of the sport. Remove the competitive edge, regard it as entertainment, be happy that it's cheap. It's all unfolding and it's f***ing tragic. American sports are way ahead of us when it comes to having a proper competition. The massive uproar in media (ESPN, etc.) in the USA over a similar Mike Ashley or Vincent Tan situation to a historic sports club would be unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Sports Direct urges shareholders to approve £65m bonus for Mike Ashley http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/11/sports-direct-shareholders-bonus-mike-ashley-founder Having read that article, to be fair to Mike Ashley, the terms of the share bonus (worth about £65m) only reward success and not failure. If the company doesn't perform he doesn't get the bonus. From Sports Direct's point of view he's doing an absolutely incredible job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Sports Direct urges shareholders to approve £65m bonus for Mike Ashley http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/mar/11/sports-direct-shareholders-bonus-mike-ashley-founder Having read that article, to be fair to Mike Ashley, the terms of the share bonus (worth about £65m) only reward success and not failure. If the company doesn't perform he doesn't get the bonus. From Sports Direct's point of view he's doing an absolutely incredible job. From a Newcastle fans point of view, he is cutting off or options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I mean, keeping prices low for fans is generally considered a good thing right? In fact, since matchday income doesn't have much to do with spending power, more clubs should be doing exactly what we're doing. There is an argument that people shouldn't be locked in for 5 years, but then that element is optional. I can see why the club wants to secure season ticket income long-term, that's perfectly normal. Whether you think it's normal business practice or an attempt to enslave us to the Ashley will is a matter of opinion I suppose. i was going to say you're missing the point, but you rarely miss the point of these things you seem to just choose to sidestep it no-one else is decreasing their prices ian, it's just the equivalent of selling shell suits cheap in his shops: "no-one is buying those shite sondico shell suits we bought mike, they're a tenner and people don't want them" "ok let's drop them to a fiver" it's exactly the same; the fans are an instrumental part of the advertising vehicle, but people have stopped wanting to pay money for a shite product so rather than attempt to win them back with a better product they'll try and sell them the same shit cheaper wish i had a letter, i'd wipe my arse on it and send it back i know you know all this btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Totally agree there must be a load of people packing in for Ashley to panic like this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There's that evil comment again. Totally agree there must be a load of people packing in for Ashley to panic like this I can see many people taking up on his offer though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 when I canceled mine in February I got a letter offering me £24 off next seasons ticket, I told them I would rather pay more if we were prepared to have a go at being a football club I got no reply Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Club has apparently started barring fans from it's Twitter feed, who use the hastage #AshleyOut. Getting worse, IMO. Ran like a fucking police state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Barring fans how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Blocking them so they can't send tweets directed at @NUFC I imagine. Lee Marshall's response did tickle me: @Mike_Ashley_Out It fits in with the idea that the club absolutely 100% shouldn't accept abuse, trolling or spamming via social media. I know they've recently relaunched the account but fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wouldn't have a ticket next season even if they were given away free of charge but would happily pay more if the club was ambitious, they haven't got a clue as to why people are packing in. I hope people can see through the latest pathetic attempt to make it look as if we endorse what they are doing by the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wouldn't have a ticket next season even if they were given away free of charge but would happily pay more if the club was ambitious, they haven't got a clue as to why people are packing in. I hope people can see through the latest pathetic attempt to make it look as if we endorse what they are doing by the club. honest question, if they canned pardew and appointed say laudrup or someone like martinez (whoever that may be) but were very upfront about the fact they're not going to spend much money would you but a ST on that basis? i.e. you'd be looking at better football, a manager who knows what he's doing and wants to win football games but won't be provided much in the way of resources Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I wouldn't have a ticket next season even if they were given away free of charge but would happily pay more if the club was ambitious, they haven't got a clue as to why people are packing in. I hope people can see through the latest pathetic attempt to make it look as if we endorse what they are doing by the club. honest question, if they canned pardew and appointed say laudrup or someone like martinez (whoever that may be) but were very upfront about the fact they're not going to spend much money would you but a ST on that basis? i.e. you'd be looking at better football, a manager who knows what he's doing and wants to win football games but won't be provided much in the way of resources Nope, i still wouldn't go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 suppose they've passed the point of no return with most like aye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 I'd go it if was free like. Not paying the fat man was the MO, and free tickets satisfies that requirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There should never be a point of no return. If Ashley appoints what seems like competent people to run the club, make funds that are available available, and starts operating the club like a club instead of an advertisement tool then I wouldn't mind him owning the club at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 There should never be a point of no return. If Ashley appoints what seems like competent people to run the club, make funds that are available available, and starts operating the club like a club instead of an advertisement tool then I wouldn't mind him owning the club at all. Aye. Kinnear giving up the drink and a stadium on the moon would be nice too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Thought that was a snapshot of his pot belly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 It's his MRI slice at penis height Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Never said it was realistic. Point being I wouldn't care whether it was Ashley or someone else owning the club under those conditions, even with all his previous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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