r0cafella Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Slightly different in that he already owns Newcastle outright. Principle is the same. Boot off the way they did, and he'd want out. Not sure myself. Nor should you be. Ashley already owns us lock stock. With Rangers he had a breach of Scottish football rules to contend with as well as a very messy ownership structure. I think these are bigger factors than the actual fans Last time everyone kicked off he put the club up for sale At what price though? It's all well and good putting it up for sale at a price no one will buy it at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Slightly different in that he already owns Newcastle outright. Principle is the same. Boot off the way they did, and he'd want out. Not sure myself. Nor should you be. Ashley already owns us lock stock. With Rangers he had a breach of Scottish football rules to contend with as well as a very messy ownership structure. I think these are bigger factors than the actual fans Last time everyone kicked off he put the club up for sale That was when the club was losing money, now club is making good money for him. Different circumstances now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Last time everyone kicked off he put the club up for sale That was the time before, the last time was when they closed the singing section because they were calling him names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Well he's successfully killed off my interest in the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Last time everyone kicked off he put the club up for sale That was the time before, the last time was when they closed the singing section because they were calling him names. Yeah to read that Cameron article saying he's not bothered about things said about him Sack Pardew banners confiscated etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 the attendance thing will have diminishing returns compared to times past, tv deal is getting too big Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 i'll just never be on board with the theory, "he wont do it so lets not bother trying". If you try and it doesn't work so what? If you do it and it makes his life a bit worse then bonus. What are we getting out the silent servitude at the minute? fuck all I don't think anyone is advocating that mate. I just think the situations here and at Rangers are totally different that's all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yeah just a general point really. The malaise is what he wants. He doesn't want the turmoil and the angst Oh for sure he doesn't want to have to put up with any resistance as sack Pardew showed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 It's more likely that he's giving up on Rangers as he's been advised that he's not going to win the dual ownership fight. In a choice between NUFC which is bringing in £50m a year profit plus massive worldwide exposure for SD every week and Rangers which brings in bot all and might, after some investment, see SD get a little eurpoean exposure 6 times a season it's easy to see which one to pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I agree with r0cafella that if he has pulled out of Rangers, it will be largely down to the SFA. They're not budging, and nor should they, so he has nowhere to go. I also agree with Santoon though. If nobody turned up to Newcastle games, it would force his hand. Makes me laugh when I see people arguing the opposite to justify giving him money: "I'm still going because he's not bothered about the ST money" OK, a bloke who won't give Peter Beardsley two free tickets to the game on Saturday and who won't give George Caulkin a sandwich isn't bothered about ~£20m season ticket money per year, righto, I believe you. If you just like going to the match, say that, but don't make out like it wouldn't make a difference if everyone packed it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I agree with r0cafella that if he has pulled out of Rangers, it will be largely down to the SFA. They're not budging, and nor should they, so he has nowhere to go. I also agree with Santoon though. If nobody turned up to Newcastle games, it would force his hand. Makes me laugh when I see people arguing the opposite to justify giving him money: "I'm still going because he's not bothered about the ST money" OK, a bloke who won't give Peter Beardsley two free tickets to the game on Saturday and who won't give George Caulkin a sandwich isn't bothered about ~£20m season ticket money per year, righto, I believe you. If you just like going to the match, say that, but don't make out like it wouldn't make a difference if everyone packed it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 'And what the fuck do you think you are doing with that, George?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manosdepiedra Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Can't see him walking away from Rangers before the EGM in a few weeks. Why would he? He controls most of the club with no more than 10% of the shares. As for jacking season tickets in, if you haven't done so already and there is confirmation this week that Demi Garde (or similar is coming am not sure why you would? Having (mostly) suffered the Pardew years why would you jack now when the new lad comes in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 If we get a new boss this week and sign Messi and Ronaldo then I'm defiantly gona think about getting a season ticket again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Can't see him walking away from Rangers before the EGM in a few weeks. Why would he? He controls most of the club with no more than 10% of the shares. As for jacking season tickets in, if you haven't done so already and there is confirmation this week that Demi Garde (or similar is coming am not sure why you would? Having (mostly) suffered the Pardew years why would you jack now when the new lad comes in? Nor will he, he is raking in millions for his 10% with the entire commercial package virtually sewn up. Any one wanting to buy him out will have to pay top dollar so its not like he will lose out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I have little sympathy for people who choose to ignore our warnings and prefer to believe we're all deluded Geordies. I hope he buys them, sells us and ruins them personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spinner99 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I agree with r0cafella that if he has pulled out of Rangers, it will be largely down to the SFA. They're not budging, and nor should they, so he has nowhere to go. I also agree with Santoon though. If nobody turned up to Newcastle games, it would force his hand. Makes me laugh when I see people arguing the opposite to justify giving him money: "I'm still going because he's not bothered about the ST money" OK, a bloke who won't give Peter Beardsley two free tickets to the game on Saturday and who won't give George Caulkin a sandwich isn't bothered about ~£20m season ticket money per year, righto, I believe you. If you just like going to the match, say that, but don't make out like it wouldn't make a difference if everyone packed it in. Spot on - an empty St James for even few weeks would shift him because it would reflect on SD. Until then we will remain a zombie club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 As for jacking season tickets in, if you haven't done so already and there is confirmation this week that Demi Garde (or similar is coming am not sure why you would? Having (mostly) suffered the Pardew years why would you jack now when the new lad comes in? Fair comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 As for jacking season tickets in, if you haven't done so already and there is confirmation this week that Demi Garde (or similar is coming am not sure why you would? Having (mostly) suffered the Pardew years why would you jack now when the new lad comes in? Fair comment. Aye based on a non event the might actually happen. Mike Ashleys business style and past events actually indicate he's more likely to screw the fans over. Mike Ashley is a Cancer on NUFC the business and has no pride in NUFC the club. Just like any of his other commercial assests, it's strip em bare and run on the very bare minimum investment possible. The mans a snake and has been for many a year Ashley turned whistleblower on industry rivals in 2000, handing the Office of Fair Trading evidence of business meetings held by sports retailers to fix the price of football shirts. Ashley attended a meeting at the Cheshire home of David Hughes, the chairman of now bankrupt rival Allsports. As long as NUFC provide Mike with a Meal ticket, be it via the free Sportdirect adverts/Prem Money/Match Day Money then he is here to stay. I can actually see him floating the club once it passes 2016, and lining his pockets again as he done with every other business he has purchased. He cares about one thing and thats the bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 As for jacking season tickets in, if you haven't done so already and there is confirmation this week that Demi Garde (or similar is coming am not sure why you would? Having (mostly) suffered the Pardew years why would you jack now when the new lad comes in? Fair comment. Aye based on a non event the might actually happen. Mike Ashleys business style and past events actually indicate he's more likely to screw the fans over. Mike Ashley is a Cancer on NUFC the business and has no pride in NUFC the club. Just like any of his other commercial assests, it's strip em bare and run on the very bare minimum investment possible. The mans a snake and has been for many a year Ashley turned whistleblower on industry rivals in 2000, handing the Office of Fair Trading evidence of business meetings held by sports retailers to fix the price of football shirts. Ashley attended a meeting at the Cheshire home of David Hughes, the chairman of now bankrupt rival Allsports. As long as NUFC provide Mike with a Meal ticket, be it via the free Sportdirect adverts/Prem Money/Match Day Money then he is here to stay. I can actually see him floating the club once it passes 2016, and lining his pockets again as he done with every other business he has purchased. He cares about one thing and thats the bottom line. http://youtu.be/IXSn1cPz9eg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I agree with r0cafella that if he has pulled out of Rangers, it will be largely down to the SFA. They're not budging, and nor should they, so he has nowhere to go. I also agree with Santoon though. If nobody turned up to Newcastle games, it would force his hand. Makes me laugh when I see people arguing the opposite to justify giving him money: "I'm still going because he's not bothered about the ST money" OK, a bloke who won't give Peter Beardsley two free tickets to the game on Saturday and who won't give George Caulkin a sandwich isn't bothered about ~£20m season ticket money per year, righto, I believe you. If you just like going to the match, say that, but don't make out like it wouldn't make a difference if everyone packed it in. Spot on - an empty St James for even few weeks would shift him because it would reflect on SD. Until then we will remain a zombie club Let's not forget the fools that will "raise" you with this : http://footysphere.com/post/22674688692/bobby-robson ...And then go on to defend why they won't stand up to the shit being served. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yeah just a general point really. The malaise is what he wants. He doesn't want the turmoil and the angst We currently appear to have one of the dimmest and most apathetic fan-bases on the planet. Wasn't like this in the 80's when we had plenty to cry about as well (granted the era prior to Sky money was very different), a lot of fans got up off their arses and tried to affect change and relatively things did change for a while. I don't know if it's the general demographic at games has changed from being the predominantly died-in-the-wool fan to being more predominantly the typical sky-era "mostly couldn't give a fuck" fan or what but we've turned into a subservient embarrassment. The passion, fight, ambition and hope appears to have been extinguished/knocked out of us almost completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yeah just a general point really. The malaise is what he wants. He doesn't want the turmoil and the angst We currently appear to have one of the dimmest and most apathetic fan-bases on the planet. Wasn't like this in the 80's when we had plenty to cry about as well (granted the era prior to Sky money was very different), a lot of fans got up off their arses and tried to affect change and relatively things did change for a while. I don't know if it's the general demographic at games has changed from being the predominantly died-in-the-wool fan to being more predominantly the typical sky-era "mostly couldn't give a fuck" fan or what but we've turned into a subservient embarrassment. The passion, fight, ambition and hope appears to have been extinguished/knocked out of us almost completely. I agree on the most part but Sack Pardew has shown change can be still be forced If done correctly. Ie without clowns like wraith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yeah just a general point really. The malaise is what he wants. He doesn't want the turmoil and the angst We currently appear to have one of the dimmest and most apathetic fan-bases on the planet. Wasn't like this in the 80's when we had plenty to cry about as well (granted the era prior to Sky money was very different), a lot of fans got up off their arses and tried to affect change and relatively things did change for a while. I don't know if it's the general demographic at games has changed from being the predominantly died-in-the-wool fan to being more predominantly the typical sky-era "mostly couldn't give a f***" fan or what but we've turned into a subservient embarrassment. The passion, fight, ambition and hope appears to have been extinguished/knocked out of us almost completely. I agree on the most part but Sack Pardew has shown change can be still be forced If done correctly. Ie without clowns like wraith Agreed, they deserve huge credit for the way they got their point across in an elegant and reasoned way, everything they put together was inarguable by anyone but the thickest cunts out there. We need more of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Trouble is now, what's at the end of the rainbow? Football is f***ed, 'we want a team that tries' is all well and good but is it really going to galvinise fans who in all likelihood are just as fed up with the state of football as a whole as they are with NUFC. It's difficult. Exactly, even if we can get Ashley to sell (and I mean really sell not the fake platitudes of buying a 10 year box) then we need a buyer who has at least 300 million to spend on a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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