Pixelphish Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just HMRC showing that they are going to make things more difficult for us now because we made things difficult for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just HMRC showing that they are going to make things more difficult for us now because we made things difficult for us. *them. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 What have we actually done wrong ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Just HMRC showing that they are going to make things more difficult for us now because we made things difficult for us. *them. Thank you. I want to frame it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Never a dull moment at this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 thought the 500m figure was across all the clubs being investigated? Would be much more believable. Has to be, I mean £500m worth of business in the last 10 years for us might be believable (ins and outs). But we've done nowhere near that in just the 3 year period mentioned there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Toon Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 This talk of a takeover only really got mentioned once Rafa exposed the fact that Ashley hasn't changed his spots by lying again. It's amazing how it never fails to not work. Can just imagine Ashley and his clan laughing about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 I just hope this tax issue will lead to the people involved getting punished rather than the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 So Carr real assignment was not to find bargaining deals but potential tax fraud partners? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Toon Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 One thing that doesn't make sense in all this is why the club would want to defraud the tax man by paying high amounts to agents to pass on when they could have paid less on just using one to do a deal? The only way I can see some logic in that is if it was in someway passed back to people involved in the club. Just doesn't seem worth it though. Big risks for minimal gain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 http://www.true-faith.co.uk/true-faith-mike-ashley-and-rangers/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 One thing that doesn't make sense in all this is why would the club would want to defraud the tax man by paying high amounts to agents to pass on when they could have paid less on just using one to do a deal? The only way I can see some logic in that is if it was in someway passed back to people involved in the club. Just doesn't seem worth it though. Big risks for minimal gain. That bit doesn't really surprise me when talking about the club tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-united-facing-major-tax-11305023 If there was 'any' hope of a buy out I recon it's gone with the Clubs Tax issues. Doesn't sound good. If its to the extent they claim, takeover is the least of the issues, we'll be kicked out of the football league. Nevermind the football league, it's feasibly possible the club could leave the atmosphere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 :lol: I seem to remember a few years back when we had the success of picking up Cabaye and the others from France, I can recall something Llambias said along the lines of setting up a network of agents in France to cut the deals for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Re: the piece about Rangers. Wow, what an agent saboteur he was. Not surprising because he has form. For example he was a menace, to Dave Whelan and his/DW's effort to keep JJB afloat & competing with SD, as a sitting member on JJB's board (before eventually absorbing JJB brand, as part of the SD umbrella) Shows how dangerous & manipulative Ashley can be, even as a minor shareholder of the club, in the event of a partial buy-out. Has to be a 100% takeover at the very least, that's before a potential buyer has to pay a premium price (to shed the attachment to SD, and the price Ashley values this association at). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Makes me think this is why Ashley says 'preferred option' would be for an investor. Means he can keep the cream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-united-facing-major-tax-11305023 If there was 'any' hope of a buy out I recon it's gone with the Clubs Tax issues. Doesn't sound good. If its to the extent they claim, takeover is the least of the issues, we'll be kicked out of the football league. Could this whole thing be the reason Ashley all of a sudden wants a "quick sale" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-united-facing-major-tax-11305023 If there was 'any' hope of a buy out I recon it's gone with the Clubs Tax issues. Doesn't sound good. If its to the extent they claim, takeover is the least of the issues, we'll be kicked out of the football league. Could this whole thing be the reason Ashley all of a sudden wants a "quick sale" Possibly but the charges would still follow him and his team, whether they're here or not. The club might get a points deduction or something worse because of their actions but i'm pretty sure they'll face consequence personally. As others have pointed out though, the likelihood of someone wanting to take us over while this is hanging over us are not good. Just another thing to add to the long list of ways in which Ashley and his team of cunts have fucked us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Another fantastic addition to the litany of neglegent wank that he's blessed us with. Die just die. He won't be missed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Anything happening??? no Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaron Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What about Anil Ambani? still interested? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 What about Anil Ambani? still interested? Getting together a consortium with Barry Moat last I heard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Apparently only worth half of what Fat Mike's asking, according to an 'expert': http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/mike-ashley-asking-price-over-the-odds-for-newcastle-as-amanda-staveley-takeover-talks-continue-1-8800729 Mike Ashley asking price ‘over the odds’ for Newcastle as Amanda Staveley takeover talks continue. JACK MCGRAGHAN AND MARK DONNELLY Published: 10:35 Thursday 12 October 2017 A football finance expert has revealed what Newcastle United are really worth - and it may surprise fans. Rumours of a potential Toon takeover have been rife, with hedge fund boss Amanda Staveley understood to have opened informal talks with the club’s top brass after attending the recent 1-1 draw against Liverpool. That follows reports suggesting Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is willing to lower his asking price from £400 million to £380million. But Dr Daniel Plumley, an academic who studies football finance, suggests the Magpies are actually worth HALF that amount. Dr Plumley, of Sheffield Hallam University, said: “That asking price is arguably over the odds. “Current brand value, based on factors such as league standing, revenue potential, fan base and global exposure, has Newcastle valued at around £190-200million. “This is almost double that, so I would argue it’s a high asking price. “It’s probably also linked to what Mike Ashley has injected in with regards to his own funds and trying to recoup some of that which is fair enough, but based on market brand values it might be tough to achieve that figure.” A deal struck for the amount estimated by Plumley would represent a profit of around £70million for Ashley on his original £134 million purchase of United 10 years ago. But that is without taking into account the money Ashley has also committed on an interest-free loan basis. Staveley, who heads investment banking and financial advisory services firm PCP Capital Partners, holds a personal net worth of around £110 million according to the Sunday Times Rich List, while her company has global assets worth over £28billion. The 44-year-old is no stranger to football takeover deals – she helped to broker the deal which saw Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al-Nahyan purchase Man City in 2008, and also attempted to buy Liverpool twice. Suggestions of a new owner on Tyneside has brought a glimmer of hope to the United faithful, who are disenchanted with Ashley. And Staveley’s presence at the Liverpool game only added fuel to the fire. But why has Ashley struggled to find a buyer? Dr Plumley believes the owner himself could be a factor. He added: “I’m speculating slightly here, but probably due to some of the negative press surrounding Ashley and the current structure of the club plus the high asking price. “Another issue is league stability. When the club dropped into the Championship the brand value would have reduced somewhat. “It’s now back up because of Premier League status but the club need to stay there to keep the value high and maximise revenue from TV rights and commercial opportunities.” And while a takeover might seem like a straightforward process, Dr Plumley believes that it is more difficult than ever to take control of a Premier League club. “There are more regulations now in terms of Financial Fair Play which limit owner investment to a certain degree,” he said. “Because of some of these regulations the ‘big six’ are pulling further away in revenue terms from the rest and it is really difficult to compete and catch that pack. “Any potential buyer or investor must be prepared to build incrementally and look at longer term strategic decisions in the current market. That said, there are still good potential growth opportunities for clubs particularly in the overseas market.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Apparently only worth half of what Fat Mike's asking, according to an 'expert': http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/mike-ashley-asking-price-over-the-odds-for-newcastle-as-amanda-staveley-takeover-talks-continue-1-8800729 Mike Ashley asking price ‘over the odds’ for Newcastle as Amanda Staveley takeover talks continue. JACK MCGRAGHAN AND MARK DONNELLY Published: 10:35 Thursday 12 October 2017 A football finance expert has revealed what Newcastle United are really worth - and it may surprise fans. Rumours of a potential Toon takeover have been rife, with hedge fund boss Amanda Staveley understood to have opened informal talks with the club’s top brass after attending the recent 1-1 draw against Liverpool. That follows reports suggesting Newcastle owner Mike Ashley is willing to lower his asking price from £400 million to £380million. But Dr Daniel Plumley, an academic who studies football finance, suggests the Magpies are actually worth HALF that amount. Dr Plumley, of Sheffield Hallam University, said: “That asking price is arguably over the odds. “Current brand value, based on factors such as league standing, revenue potential, fan base and global exposure, has Newcastle valued at around £190-200million. “This is almost double that, so I would argue it’s a high asking price. “It’s probably also linked to what Mike Ashley has injected in with regards to his own funds and trying to recoup some of that which is fair enough, but based on market brand values it might be tough to achieve that figure.” A deal struck for the amount estimated by Plumley would represent a profit of around £70million for Ashley on his original £134 million purchase of United 10 years ago. But that is without taking into account the money Ashley has also committed on an interest-free loan basis. Staveley, who heads investment banking and financial advisory services firm PCP Capital Partners, holds a personal net worth of around £110 million according to the Sunday Times Rich List, while her company has global assets worth over £28billion. The 44-year-old is no stranger to football takeover deals – she helped to broker the deal which saw Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al-Nahyan purchase Man City in 2008, and also attempted to buy Liverpool twice. Suggestions of a new owner on Tyneside has brought a glimmer of hope to the United faithful, who are disenchanted with Ashley. And Staveley’s presence at the Liverpool game only added fuel to the fire. But why has Ashley struggled to find a buyer? Dr Plumley believes the owner himself could be a factor. He added: “I’m speculating slightly here, but probably due to some of the negative press surrounding Ashley and the current structure of the club plus the high asking price. “Another issue is league stability. When the club dropped into the Championship the brand value would have reduced somewhat. “It’s now back up because of Premier League status but the club need to stay there to keep the value high and maximise revenue from TV rights and commercial opportunities.” And while a takeover might seem like a straightforward process, Dr Plumley believes that it is more difficult than ever to take control of a Premier League club. “There are more regulations now in terms of Financial Fair Play which limit owner investment to a certain degree,” he said. “Because of some of these regulations the ‘big six’ are pulling further away in revenue terms from the rest and it is really difficult to compete and catch that pack. “Any potential buyer or investor must be prepared to build incrementally and look at longer term strategic decisions in the current market. That said, there are still good potential growth opportunities for clubs particularly in the overseas market.” The value is always what someone is willing to pay! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 And just like that as the international break ends when we are back to the cut & thrust of the league takeover talk dies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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