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I don't know how the decision tree worked for HBA starting away at Anzhi, or indeed if all possible roads would eventually have lead to him needing further surgery, but...

 

...I've never seen a player start for 60 minutes away from home in sub-zero temperatures on a dodgy surface as their return game back from a lengthy layoff.

 

I'd love to hear Pardew's explanation, but I doubt we will.

 

Anyway, this f***ing sucks. :thup:

 

:thup: Felt off then, and it still feels off now. Again, if it was simply because Cisse was out then someone needs shooting.

 

Ah its all a conspiracy. Pards doesn't want him to play in the run in, hence putting Hatem in against Anzhi.

 

There's a lot of putting words in people's mouths on here at the minute.

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I don't know how the decision tree worked for HBA starting away at Anzhi, or indeed if all possible roads would eventually have lead to him needing further surgery, but...

 

...I've never seen a player start for 60 minutes away from home in sub-zero temperatures on a dodgy surface as their return game back from a lengthy layoff.

 

I'd love to hear Pardew's explanation, but I doubt we will.

 

Anyway, this f***ing sucks. :thup:

 

:thup: Felt off then, and it still feels off now. Again, if it was simply because Cisse was out then someone needs shooting.

 

Ah its all a conspiracy. Pards doesn't want him to play in the run in, hence putting Hatem in against Anzhi.

 

There's a lot of putting words in people's mouths on here at the minute.

 

Calling SDBS a twat is bang out of order, 'Polic.

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:lol: I don't see why these levels of blame are being thrown around at the minute. There isn't much information to go on, but if he needs an operation, putting him in against Anzhi may have been a blessing in disguise. If he needs an operation now, he must have needed an operation before that game. He didn't break down, he wasn't limping, he didn't take a big knock... Whatever happened to his hamstring against Anzhi isn't enough to have caused this situation, so if there is blame to be laid, we need to go back further.

 

He's injured. It's a big fucking problem, despite Marveuax. It's been a big fucking problem all season, we're almost a one man team at the moment, and we haven;t had that one man most of the season, and we won't see him at all it turns out. But fuck me, it's like a soap opera going on in here. We still need to win a few games, we have the players we have, lets worry about them.

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:lol: I don't see why these levels of blame are being thrown around at the minute. There isn't much information to go on, but if he needs an operation, putting him in against Anzhi may have been a blessing in disguise. If he needs an operation now, he must have needed an operation before that game. He didn't break down, he wasn't limping, he didn't take a big knock... Whatever happened to his hamstring against Anzhi isn't enough to have caused this situation, so if there is blame to be laid, we need to go back further.

 

He's injured. It's a big f***ing problem, despite Marveuax. It's been a big f***ing problem all season, we're almost a one man team at the moment, and we haven;t had that one man most of the season, and we won't see him at all it turns out. But f*** me, it's like a soap opera going on in here. We still need to win a few games, we have the players we have, lets worry about them.

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I'm not blaming anyone, just saying it seemed far from the ideal scenario to bring him back, especially since we'd had our fingers burnt with the same player months earlier. That's how it seemed and that's how it still seems.

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:lol: I don't see why these levels of blame are being thrown around at the minute. There isn't much information to go on, but if he needs an operation, putting him in against Anzhi may have been a blessing in disguise. If he needs an operation now, he must have needed an operation before that game. He didn't break down, he wasn't limping, he didn't take a big knock... Whatever happened to his hamstring against Anzhi isn't enough to have caused this situation, so if there is blame to be laid, we need to go back further.

 

He's injured. It's a big fucking problem, despite Marveuax. It's been a big fucking problem all season, we're almost a one man team at the moment, and we haven;t had that one man most of the season, and we won't see him at all it turns out. But fuck me, it's like a soap opera going on in here. We still need to win a few games, we have the players we have, lets worry about them.

 

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I'm not blaming anyone, just saying it seemed far from the ideal scenario to bring him back, especially since we'd had our fingers burnt with the same player months earlier. That's how it seemed and that's how it still seems.

 

I didn't mean to sound like I was saying you were blaming people. Plenty of others, but not you.

 

People are hysterical, man. Blaming Pardew for seemingly taking and looking at the scans of Ben Arfa's leg, massaging it through his rehabilitation, loooking at his aura to see any signs of match readiness. It's ridiculous, man. He was told he could be eased in, Ben Arfa will have wanted to play, he's also previously said he feels fine. He was okay during the game, off the pace but didn't look injured. There will have been literally no difference to him needing an operation by playing him against say Wigan this weekend or playing him earlier against Anzhi. So why is everyone going on about him being selected for the Anzhi game?

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I'm not blaming anyone, just saying it seemed far from the ideal scenario to bring him back, especially since we'd had our fingers burnt with the same player months earlier. That's how it seemed and that's how it still seems.

 

I didn't mean to sound like I was saying you were blaming people. Plenty of others, but not you.

 

People are hysterical, man. Blaming Pardew for seemingly taking and looking at the scans of Ben Arfa's leg, massaging it through his rehabilitation, loooking at his aura to see any signs of match readiness. It's ridiculous, man. He was told he could be eased in, Ben Arfa will have wanted to play, he's also previously said he feels fine. He was okay during the game, off the pace but didn't look injured. There will have been literally no difference to him needing an operation by playing him against say Wigan this weekend or playing him earlier against Anzhi. So why is everyone going on about him being selected for the Anzhi game?

 

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I'm not blaming anyone, just saying it seemed far from the ideal scenario to bring him back, especially since we'd had our fingers burnt with the same player months earlier. That's how it seemed and that's how it still seems.

 

Agree totally.

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Trained medical professionals said he was fine to play. He did. He further aggravated it. 

 

I accept it seems strange he started the match away in Russia but you make it sound like complete incompetence from the medical team. If the up to date scans have been done and show nothing, the player's reporting no problems in training consistently then I don't see what else they could've done really. They've followed normal guidelines.

 

You've missed my point man, I'm probably not being clear. So I'm sorry.

 

To put it simply, experts in their respected field gave the green light to play and Hatem probably felt ok to play so he did. I'm not blaming anyone. The exact opposite. It's nobody's fault based on the information we have. Unless there is some poor judgement or mistake on someone's spot not adhering to medical advice or listening to Hatem if he didn't want to play. It's an injury that looked healed and he triggered something again. It's out of everyone's hands in my opinion - poor luck, poor Hatem and poor us for missing such an exciting and brilliant player for us.

 

Not many medically trained people on here for what i know- think its a bit naive of people to judge otherwise. I really enjoy this board alot, and really like nearly every poster on here- but people on here need to lose the hysteria a bit, relax, and just hope he recovers for his career and for our club.

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I guess sooner or later he would have needed this operation. The biggest mistake was not to let him play against Anzhi but to not put him under the knife in November.

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Trained medical professionals said he was fine to play. He did. He further aggravated it. 

 

I accept it seems strange he started the match away in Russia but you make it sound like complete incompetence from the medical team. If the up to date scans have been done and show nothing, the player's reporting no problems in training consistently then I don't see what else they could've done really. They've followed normal guidelines.

 

You've missed my point man, I'm probably not being clear. So I'm sorry.

 

To put it simply, experts in their respected field gave the green light to play and Hatem probably felt ok to play so he did. I'm not blaming anyone. The exact opposite. It's nobody's fault based on the information we have. Unless there is some poor judgement or mistake on someone's spot not adhering to medical advice or listening to Hatem if he didn't want to play. It's an injury that looked healed and he triggered something again. It's out of everyone's hands in my opinion - poor luck, poor Hatem and poor us for missing such an exciting and brilliant player for us.

 

Not many medically trained people on here for what i know- think its a bit naive of people to judge otherwise. I really enjoy this board alot, and really like nearly every poster on here- but people on here need to lose the hysteria a bit, relax, and just hope he recovers for his career and for our club.

 

Apologies misinterpretation  :D

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There are a good amount of studies on the 'dangers' of artificial pitches vs natural grass and there has been nothing remotely significant found. Slight increase in the chance of ankle injuries and even that requires more study before anything conclusive can be said.

 

Aye, aye. But, you're forgetting that it was cold.

 

Plus the massive flight to RUSSIA.

 

With this information I found it hard to blame anyone. If the muscle wouldn't have reacted against Anzhi due to him playing just 20 minutes it most likely would've reacted later. Sad and unlucky injury and hope he's alright when next season starts. :thup:

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My first thought was that at least he wouldn't be sold in the summer and i feel, he is more likely to sign a new deal, should we offer him one.

 

He would have been a great advantage in Europe, but thats only 5 games maximum. The league is somewhat irrelevant now.

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Remember thinking at the time it's stupid idea playing someone who is coming back from a hamstring injury on a fake pitch.  Whether he would have still needed an operation is anyones guess but it cannot of helped. :idiot2:  I think the club as a collective need to analyse that decision.

 

As for selling him... :fool:  I'm still pinching myself that he plays for Newcastle - the lad has not even hit his prime yet.  He's just been unlucky.

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:lol: I don't see why these levels of blame are being thrown around at the minute. There isn't much information to go on, but if he needs an operation, putting him in against Anzhi may have been a blessing in disguise. If he needs an operation now, he must have needed an operation before that game. He didn't break down, he wasn't limping, he didn't take a big knock... Whatever happened to his hamstring against Anzhi isn't enough to have caused this situation, so if there is blame to be laid, we need to go back further.

 

He's injured. It's a big fucking problem, despite Marveuax. It's been a big fucking problem all season, we're almost a one man team at the moment, and we haven;t had that one man most of the season, and we won't see him at all it turns out. But fuck me, it's like a soap opera going on in here. We still need to win a few games, we have the players we have, lets worry about them.

 

This, this, this. A million times this.

 

We've got some right melodramatic wankers on here who can be up one minute and down the next. It makes it a chore to read. Having Ben Arfa will make us into a better side, but that's not to say a HBA-less NUFC is shit. The lads have done very well without him in recent weeks so lets get behind those cunts that have proven us moany bastards wrong.

 

As for his injury attaching blame is ridiculous. He tore a hamstring and he's had complications. What more is there to say than that? Sure playing him at Anji probably wasn't perfect but considering Pardew's reticence to putting him out if he's not 100% fit I'm sure he wouldn't have been there if we didn't think he was fine. The fact we had to get a specialist in and he's advised surgery suggests that there's an underlying problem that needs sorting for him to come back 100%.

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