joeyt Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 His hair looked rubbish last night. Looked like Kieron Dyer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 [ba is] Regarded as "much more of a clever No10 than an orthodox No9" by Pardew Just saw that in a Louise Taylor article which I think goes most the way to explaining why HBA hasn't seen much action. While I'd like to see HBA on the right, clearly Pardew doesn't at all, and essentially Ba is playing in HBA's place, and obviously shouldn't displace him and I can see why, you want a holding player with HBA, think Ba needs that much less but also likes dropping back. Can't understand why he's not on the right, but Pardew sees players in 1 position (exception made for Santon and Raylor seems) and will not budge from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ba plays far too deep for an orthodox number 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yeah, he's far more of a number 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 9 & a half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 9 3/4. The guy's magic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 9 3/4. The guy's magic http://files.sharenator.com/funny_celebrity_pictures_i_see_what_you_did_there_RE_32_Things_you_Must_See-s500x375-256933.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 [ba is] Regarded as "much more of a clever No10 than an orthodox No9" by Pardew Just saw that in a Louise Taylor article which I think goes most the way to explaining why HBA hasn't seen much action. While I'd like to see HBA on the right, clearly Pardew doesn't at all, and essentially Ba is playing in HBA's place, and obviously shouldn't displace him and I can see why, you want a holding player with HBA, think Ba needs that much less but also likes dropping back. Can't understand why he's not on the right, but Pardew sees players in 1 position (exception made for Santon and Raylor seems) and will not budge from that. can''t for the life of me see what is wrong with playing Jonas on the right and Ben Arfa on the left. Now that Santon is starting and playing well and Cabaye can take freekicks, I definately think that should be explored for a couple of games. Means we can get Ben Arfa in instead of Raylor or Obertan and might even mean Jonas puts in a decent cross once in a while (rolf). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Newcastle-Frustrated-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-promised-chance-to-play-by-Alan-Pardew-article849568.html "I don't think any player at any football club is going to say that their philosophy is the same as the manager," said Pardew. "I didn't when I was working with Steve Coppell [as a player at Crystal Palace], but I still admired him and understood what he is about and learned a great deal off him. "And as you grow as a player you learn that you can have a different kind of formula to win games. "We have played to Hatem's formula a couple of times and we have done okay. When he plays in the side, we have to pass the ball more and play it in to him more. "He will get his opportunity to show what he can do." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Btw - I hate seeing Dave bump a thread at this time of night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Good work Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Well, seems like Pardew is thinking what we all thought he was thinking - i.e. when HBA plays we need to use a slightly different system. He'll definitely get a chance with Ba away and I'm sure he'll do well. Not too worried about the whole situation at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Newcastle-Frustrated-Hatem-Ben-Arfa-promised-chance-to-play-by-Alan-Pardew-article849568.html "I don't think any player at any football club is going to say that their philosophy is the same as the manager," said Pardew. "I didn't when I was working with Steve Coppell [as a player at Crystal Palace], but I still admired him and understood what he is about and learned a great deal off him. "And as you grow as a player you learn that you can have a different kind of formula to win games. "We have played to Hatem's formula a couple of times and we have done okay. When he plays in the side, we have to pass the ball more and play it in to him more. "He will get his opportunity to show what he can do." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 [ba is] Regarded as "much more of a clever No10 than an orthodox No9" by Pardew Just saw that in a Louise Taylor article which I think goes most the way to explaining why HBA hasn't seen much action. While I'd like to see HBA on the right, clearly Pardew doesn't at all, and essentially Ba is playing in HBA's place, and obviously shouldn't displace him and I can see why, you want a holding player with HBA, think Ba needs that much less but also likes dropping back. Can't understand why he's not on the right, but Pardew sees players in 1 position (exception made for Santon and Raylor seems) and will not budge from that. can''t for the life of me see what is wrong with playing Jonas on the right and Ben Arfa on the left. Now that Santon is starting and playing well and Cabaye can take freekicks, I definately think that should be explored for a couple of games. Means we can get Ben Arfa in instead of Raylor or Obertan and might even mean Jonas puts in a decent cross once in a while (rolf). Cant see what is wrong with putting Ben Arfa on the right side either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 9 & a half. This. He is good holding it up with his back to goal, playing from deep or making runs off the shoulder. He's pretty much the whole package, the real deal. Fuck we're gonna miss him :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 ben arfa should be on right or left side... coz both our wide player is wank. pardew clearly in-efficient playing him as striker in the hole... because he wasn't a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 9 & a half. This. He is good holding it up with his back to goal, playing from deep or making runs off the shoulder. He's pretty much the whole package, the real deal. f*** we're gonna miss him :'( I think the definition of tthe number 10 position in France and in England isn't the same. A number 10 in France is considered as a playmaker (Platini, Giresse, Zidane) The perfect example of an english player in that role would be Glenn Hoddle It seem to me (maybe I'm wrong) that in England the number 10 is a player 'in support' of the main striker ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No, that's the definition over here too. Ba isn't a number 10, he just plays a bit deeper than the other striker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 No, that's the definition over here too. Ba isn't a number 10, he just plays a bit deeper than the other striker Ok, thank you (i asked the question after reading some posts talking about Ba as a number 10) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Quite frankly, Ba has best off the main centre forward that has been shown time and time again........ He'd get him a partner that compliments him long term, place Ben Arfa on the right with freedom ....... The reason why we cant do this atm, is because imo with Danny Simpson at RB we are too vulnerable defensively..... If we could somehow get a Solid defensively minded RB i dont see no reason why this wasnt be plausible....... Sort of how like Utd had Ronaldo on the right wing and Gary Neville behind him. Pardew probably wouldnt do it anyway, but i dont feel its possible atm either way until the fullbacks are upgraded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The second part of the season will provide an answer for Hatem's best position in Pardew system(s), if he can get a run of games. Maybe he'll never find his place. I think Ben Arfa is the most versatile player in the team, he can adapt to many attacking positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I think Ben Arfa is the most versatile player in the team, he can adapt to many attacking positions. I'm sure he can be, but for whatever stubborn reason, Pardew seems to have decided x players fit in x position, and can't possibly be moved to position y. Apart from Ryan fucking Taylor, who'll probably be upfront against Blackburn. I'd like to see Hatem tried out on the wing, and the cup is a good opportunity to do that. Tho it's also a good chance to get him up top with Ba offski. Argh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Should be in the side for Tiote against Blackburn, QPR and Fulham. Give him a chance to show his worth. Shola in for Demba for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 The second part of the season will provide an answer for Hatem's best position in Pardew system(s), if he can get a run of games. Maybe he'll never find his place. I think Ben Arfa is the most versatile player in the team, he can adapt to many attacking positions. Nah Obertan is more versatile, he will be as shit in every other position as he has been on the right wing. Shitebulb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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