Tsunami Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 There's unrest within the squad about BA's attitude and unless he bucks his ideas up he needs to go for his own good. He's a fantastic player completely pissing his best years away. If we can't motivate him we should move him on. I'd rather watch him be brilliant for some other team than be a fraud for us. It's criminal what's happening. He's looked quite motivated when given a run of games and you mentioned his fitness earlier, odd isn't it that a player who plays games can be fit and motivated but isn't when he doesn't play. I wonder what we should do about that? What's your point? Prove yourself in training and you have every right to be clammering for a starting place, piss about and lose condition then you deserve nothing. Seriously, give him a starting place just now and he'd be taken of before half time, he'd been on for 5 minutes today, chased back 15 yards into our half and couldn't make it past the halfway line when we broke forward. People need to forget what a great player he can be and see the reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 There's unrest within the squad about BA's attitude and unless he bucks his ideas up he needs to go for his own good. He's a fantastic player completely pissing his best years away. If we can't motivate him we should move him on. I'd rather watch him be brilliant for some other team than be a fraud for us. It's criminal what's happening. He's looked quite motivated when given a run of games and you mentioned his fitness earlier, odd isn't it that a player who plays games can be fit and motivated but isn't when he doesn't play. I wonder what we should do about that? What's your point? Prove yourself in training and you have every right to be clammering for a starting place, p*ss about and lose condition then you deserve nothing. Seriously, give him a starting place just now and he'd be taken of before half time, he'd been on for 5 minutes today, chased back 15 yards into our half and couldn't make it past the halfway line when we broke forward. People need to forget what a great player he can be and see the reality. That's the kind of attitude that gets Shola game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 What's your point? Prove yourself in training and you have every right to be clammering for a starting place, p*ss about and lose condition then you deserve nothing. Seriously, give him a starting place just now and he'd be taken of before half time, he'd been on for 5 minutes today, chased back 15 yards into our half and couldn't make it past the halfway line when we broke forward. People need to forget what a great player he can be and see the reality. I thought that my point was fairly obvious, clearly it wasn't, he's nothing like Tommy Cassidy on a bad day. Also, I couldn't give a shit about performances in training as we only get point for performances in league games and in that respect he's performed well for most of the time when given a run of games. The fact that he was made a scapegoat by our shitty manager doesn't change that, neither does people falling for the shitty managers bollocks when singling out players for criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 2nd was when we had the ball for quite a long period and no one would pass to HBA even though at times in the move he was free, in space and made himself available. Players in question were Anita, Sissoko and Tiote iirc. After the move broke down HBA went towards the touchline with his arms out wide complaining to Carver about it as it was visibly obvious they had appeared to deliberately not pass to him which was very strange. I was going to say that as well it did seem like people were avoiding passing to him. Thought I was imagining that. Noticed that too, was screaming at the fuckers to give him the ball as they were obviously not going to anything useful with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 There's unrest within the squad about BA's attitude and unless he bucks his ideas up he needs to go for his own good. He's a fantastic player completely pissing his best years away. If we can't motivate him we should move him on. I'd rather watch him be brilliant for some other team than be a fraud for us. It's criminal what's happening. He's looked quite motivated when given a run of games and you mentioned his fitness earlier, odd isn't it that a player who plays games can be fit and motivated but isn't when he doesn't play. I wonder what we should do about that? What's your point? Prove yourself in training and you have every right to be clammering for a starting place, p*ss about and lose condition then you deserve nothing. Seriously, give him a starting place just now and he'd be taken of before half time, he'd been on for 5 minutes today, chased back 15 yards into our half and couldn't make it past the halfway line when we broke forward. People need to forget what a great player he can be and see the reality. That's the kind of attitude that gets Shola game time. You believe Shola proves himself in training? Shola gets on because we're generally pretty useless, BA should be starting every game because he's the best player we've got as opposed to coming on with 20 minutes to go hoping for some magic to change the game. He must have put on 3 stone since he came here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Stop calling him BA for ffs. Also I've been told that he's not like that at all. Easy this lark isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 It's telling that his biggest objectors are only able to give conjecture and Pardew logic as argument. I can't believe this is still up for debate, the worst thing about the Pardew tenure is not unleashing HBA on the league, I bet there's a canny few teams out there that have breathed a sigh of relief when he's not been on the team sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 It's telling that his biggest objectors are only able to give conjecture and Pardew logic as argument. I can't believe this is still up for debate, the worst thing about the Pardew tenure is not unleashing HBA on the league, I bet there's a canny few teams out there that have breathed a sigh of relief when he's not been on the team sheet. Saw a few comments from palace fans today basically saying he was the difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 He's probably the only good player we have that I hope moves to a team in the EPL so I can keep an eye on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 He's probably the only good player we have that I hope moves to a team in the EPL so I can keep an eye on him. Do you not have Sky, BT Sports or the internet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 He's probably the only good player we have that I hope moves to a team in the EPL so I can keep an eye on him. Do you not have Sky, BT Sports or the internet? I don't like football enough to watch other leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 But if you like Ben Arfa that much surely it's worth an hour and a half of your time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Not really. Watching us is barely worth an hour and a half of my time. If he stayed in the EPL I would get to see him twice a year against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I think some people's attitude to Ben Arfa is frankly disgusting. 3 goals, 6 assists in 25 games. Of those 25 games I very much doubt he's accumulated a high percentage of minutes in comparison to Sissoko or Gouffran, whose statistics aren't much better. Additionally, in the premiership at least, he's been sub for 11 of his 23 appearances as well as being pissed on publicly by his manager (no doubt privately too). Nobody keeps the ball all the time, it's impossible. I'd rather he lost it twenty times in the opponent's half and still create an assist or goal than toe the backwards Pardew party-line. Bad man-management is failing him perhaps more than anything else. Also, the Shola argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Basically you're right, everyone gives the ball away. We just notice HBA doing it because he's not giving a sideways pass at the time. And people expect much more of him. And he doesn't play enough to feel he doesn't have to win the game in the 10 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I've just watched Cazorla give the ball away 3 times leading to 3 Chelsea goals just there on MotD. Bet he's not dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! Really? The extreme frustration seems to stem from the fact he's capable of so much more yet rarely lives up to the hype. When he's in a good vein of form HBA can do no wrong (I've watched him have shitters and receive nothing but love, his name sang when he's on the bench having done fuck all) however when he runs into trouble time and time again, loses the ball in daft positions and sits on his arse watching while the opposition score, he rightly gets criticised. I can't say I think Pardew's been particularly unfair. When he did drop him earlier in the season we hit form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! A few years ago, there used to be a website that kept a league table of which players in Europe lost possession the most. Top of the league, every year, was always Messi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! A few years ago, there used to be a website that kept a league table of which players in Europe lost possession the most. Top of the league, every year, was always Messi. We don't have Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro or Busquets to play alongside him tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! A few years ago, there used to be a website that kept a league table of which players in Europe lost possession the most. Top of the league, every year, was always Messi. We don't have Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro or Busquets to play alongside him tbf. Mind = blown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! A few years ago, there used to be a website that kept a league table of which players in Europe lost possession the most. Top of the league, every year, was always Messi. Its the same with Suarez. Every game I see him, he loses the ball loads. All the best players lose the ball loads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! A few years ago, there used to be a website that kept a league table of which players in Europe lost possession the most. Top of the league, every year, was always Messi. We don't have Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro or Busquets to play alongside him tbf. Aye, if we had messi at Newcastle I'd drop him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Pardew has made him the scape goat so many times that people watch him with an eagle eye, as soon as one pass goes astray it's all moans and groans "he's at it again" meanwhile players like Shola "teinkle toes" Ameobi can't control a ball to save his life, every corner or free kick we take hits the first man, other players may have lost the ball two or three times in the same amount of time. But no he has a Pardew rep now and every touch is met with extreme criticism. Yet the sheep eat it up, keep chowing guys there's plenty more bullshit where that came from! Terrible example picking Shola. How many people rate Shola? People have low expectations of Shola. People have higher expectations of Ben Arfa and get frustrated when he doesn't reach those standards consistently. People know Ben Arfa can provide the quality, we'd all like it if he did it consistently, even Pardew. Anyway, we won the game and Ben Arfa provided the assist. Be happy. People trying to point score off it isn't good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 I've just watched Cazorla give the ball away 3 times leading to 3 Chelsea goals just there on MotD. Bet he's not dropped. He would be if Pardew was the manager!! Messi would probably be on the bench to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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