Skirge Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Jonas hasn't contributed a goal or assist for over 10 games Erm not sure thats right is it ? 10 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Sounds about right for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 We dont have wingers. This. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 For the job they do, we might as well just play two competent defensive midfielders on the wings or another pair of full-backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 For the job they do, we might as well just play two competent defensive midfielders on the wings or another pair of full-backs. It says a lot that perhaps Obertan aside, we could probably get away with playing any of our wide players (Simpson, Taylor, Gutierrez and Santon) in any of the four positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 For the job they do, we might as well just play two competent defensive midfielders on the wings or another pair of full-backs. It says a lot that perhaps Obertan aside, we could probably get away with playing any of our wide players (Simpson, Taylor, Gutierrez and Santon) in any of the four positions. But the age of specialised wingers is over. Football's more and more a cat-and-mouse game. Etc, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Imagine Demba Ba with wingers in the vein of Robert and Solano in their pomp on the flanks man. Can only imagine that it must be infuriating for him watching our current pair clown around for 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Imagine Demba Ba with wingers in the vein of Robert and Solano in their pomp on the flanks man. Can only imagine that it must be infuriating for him watching our current pair clown around for 90 minutes. Would get 100 a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 All 4 wide positions need looking at. None will be, of course. Very much so although I reckon two of the first team options are primarily bench warmers for some odd reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluegeordie Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I think that Jonas has significant strengths and weaknesses in his game, and which you choose to focus on determines how you rate him. Sadly, however, it's the weaknesses that have been conspicuous in his game over recent weeks. Maybe that new dog of his has interfered with his focus ... or, as has been noted, it could simply be the absence of competition for his spot. As for Obertan, maybe I lack "vision" (presumably, along with Fergie and Co at Man U), but I just can't see sufficient potential to make him worth persevering with. Most worryingly, I think he lacks heart, and notwithstanding the odd eye-catching five-a-side flick, I think there's no evidence of a decent footballing brain. I hope to be proven wrong with him, but I don't think I will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Agree we totally lack width atm. Have faith that Jonas has good performances in him, but Sammy isn't ready and Obertan is shit. Totally beyond me how Ben Arfa isn't considered for the right. Need new wingers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Would like to hear Pardew's thoughts on what has been a glaring weakness in our team for some time. Would also like to know what the fuck they're saying to Jonas and Obertan in training that's led to them never trying to skin a full back. I, like many others, said Pardew was making a rod for his own back by saying he'd only ever play Ben Arfa up front. It became an issue a few games back but it's taking the piss now, having more talented players sat on the bench for no reason at all. Needs to be looked at seriously but I've no faith it will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 has anyone pointed out they aren't wingers ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 All 4 wide positions need looking at. None will be, of course. Santon has showed enough in my opinion to be given one of the fullback slots long term but the other 3 positions need major looking at and have done for a long time...... Simpson, Obertan and Taylor are shite while Jonas works very very hard but has no end product at all..... I actually am very happy with the middle of the team GK, CB's ,DM,CM,AM,CF ( while lacking some depth in some areas) But the wide areas be it fullback or winger for the most part is truly truly awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 has anyone pointed out they aren't wingers ? If you're talking about technicalities then I don't understand what that's got to do with anything, the point is that our wide players are offering nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 For the job they do, we might as well just play two competent defensive midfielders on the wings or another pair of full-backs. It says a lot that perhaps Obertan aside, we could probably get away with playing any of our wide players (Simpson, Taylor, Gutierrez and Santon) in any of the four positions. But the age of specialised wingers is over. Football's more and more a cat-and-mouse game. Etc, etc. Bale, Lennon, Valencia, Downing, Robben, Young etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 We're playing a completely different way to early season, we were seeing some interchange between the central players and the wingers, 1-2s, some attempt at playing the wide players into space behind the full back, that's all gone. It's all long ball, get it in the box from deep, work on your stats, proper Allardyce style shit. The boss has finally stamped his style on the team and boy, aren't we suffering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 We're playing a completely different way to early season, we were seeing some interchange between the central players and the wingers, 1-2s, some attempt at playing the wide players into space behind the full back, that's all gone. It's all long ball, get it in the box from deep, work on your stats, proper Allardyce style s***. The boss has finally stamped his style on the team and boy, aren't we suffering. as much as i'd like to, i can't disagree with that. (though even when we were doing well i thought ther movement was poor) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 We're playing a completely different way to early season, we were seeing some interchange between the central players and the wingers, 1-2s, some attempt at playing the wide players into space behind the full back, that's all gone. It's all long ball, get it in the box from deep, work on your stats, proper Allardyce style s***. The boss has finally stamped his style on the team and boy, aren't we suffering. I think the players are suffering as much as we are and I don't think we can change our game anytime soon as it's becoming ingrained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Worrying times tbh. Jonas has been underperforming since the Stoke game and Obertan is well Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Worrying times tbh. Jonas has been underperforming since the Stoke game and Obertan is well Obertan. since he went back to being an aux full back (like the last 3 seasons...bar the start of this season!!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Jonas offers little in an offensive sense, and obertan looks out of his depth. Im still not entirely sure why we cant shift HBA out wide. His best game did come when he played LW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jukeboxromeo Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I noticed that on Boxing Day actually, at least before the two game-changing substitutions. If/when we get relegated, I'd expect you to be in for someone like Chung-Yong Lee; defensively competent but actually has an end product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roy the Irish Magpie Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 obertan and jonas have been poor. Taylor in rm would do better and give fergie a go on the left and always play santon in the team he's one of are actuall good players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 They both suck and eat shit like, embarassing! Tiote and Cabaye have no chance to play as well as they can with these two clowns that offer nothing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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