Ryan_Taylor Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Makes me giggle like a loon everytime I see him be interviewed. Such a happy man. Proper cheesy grin on his face just buzzing with life and scoring goals. It's brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 1 goal every 66 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Is that better than ageuro now? holy shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 It's no surprise he's doing better with a proper winger in the team. Amazing return given the stop-start nature of his season. He doesn't even look totally fit either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 It's no surprise he's doing better with a proper winger in the team. Amazing return given the stop-start nature of his season. He doesn't even look totally fit either Can see him playing well with Aarons if he ever gets back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 It's no surprise he's doing better with a proper winger in the team. Amazing return given the stop-start nature of his season. He doesn't even look totally fit either Can see him playing well with Aarons if he ever gets back. Aarons looks to have the best cross on him (and more varied types of delivery), of all our wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 A truly outrageous goal aside, he is back for sure. Great to see him so happy again and scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 he will never be the greatest footballer but he lethal when he has delivery. His drop of form and confidence was all down to pardew playing him on the wing and isolating on top without any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I would love to see Cisse alongside Ayoze, but with a playmaker behind the two of them. Cisse could then just focus on lurking in dangerous areas ,and not need to be as involved in play per se. He is a heck of a goal scorer. His general play, however, is absolutely revolting, and quite offensive in truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 2011/12 - one goal every 86 mins 2012/13 - one goal every 375 mins 2013/14 - one goal every 691 mins 2014/15 - one goal every 66 mins After two years of absolute crap, his scoring rate is actually better than his first 6 months. What the stats don't show is one of those years (13/14) He scored 8-10 legit goals the were ruled offside... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 That period of disallowed goals was like nothing I've ever seen. Overall, nowt makes me happier than seeing Papisto score goals for us, absolutely love the guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I would love to see Cisse alongside Ayoze, but with a playmaker behind the two of them. Cisse could then just focus on lurking in dangerous areas ,and not need to be as involved in play per se. He is a heck of a goal scorer. His general play, however, is absolutely revolting, and quite offensive in truth. also with cisse drawing attention in the box and suddenly De Jong is lurking around the box as well. really looking forward to return of De Jong and aarons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Aarons - Cisse - Ayoze De Jong Sissoko Abeid Sorry, Cabella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The imaginary period of incorrect offside goals lol. In that same season he scored and wwas given at least two that where actually offside. The beauty at S'hampon one of them. Let's not re-write history folks. Not to mention 13/14 was last season where he was completely pants. In 12/13 he got 8 goals - maybe could've got a couple more after being wrongly offsided, could've had a couple less due to having disallowed goals stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Aarons - Cisse - Ayoze De Jong Sissoko Abeid Sorry, Cabella Cabella instead of Aarons at the moment IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The imaginary period of incorrect offside goals lol. In that same season he scored and wwas given at least two that where actually offside. The beauty at S'hampon one of them. Let's not re-write history folks. Not to mention 13/14 was last season where he was completely pants. In 12/13 he got 8 goals - maybe could've got a couple more after being wrongly offsided, could've had a couple less due to having disallowed goals stand. You don't really need to continue this tbh, just remind everyone that you predicted Dummett was a CB and it'll all be cush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Anyway whether or not he was unlucky with offsides (I don't think it was an imaginary period at all, but maybe overblown slightly) he played a massive part in keeping us up that season. It's easy to look at 8 in 36 and claim he was bad but it hardly tells the whole story, he scored some very important goals when everyone else looked fucked and was being played out of position for large parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 If de Jong is going to be the attacking mid, I'm not so sure Cisse is the best option to play ahead of him. I'd wager Ayoze-de Jong will have more balance to it, with Ayoze pulling out into wider areas, stretching the back line and allowing de Jong to attack from deeper areas. Cisse is our only proven goalscorer, at present, though, so it's a conundrum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse's all round game is pretty shite but he's scoring goals; whereas Ayoze is playing very well but isn't quite as lethal. Ayoze should be the mainstay IMO, whilst we try to accomodate Cisse as best we can around that. He's a good player to introduce at HT or early on in the second half like Saturday, he always gets chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm unsure tbh, we have a really weird mix of player so it's difficult to say who you would drop and where they would play. It's a shame Siem isn't a central midfielder as he would slot in beautifully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse's all round game is pretty s**** but he's scoring goals; whereas Ayoze is playing very well but isn't quite as lethal. Ayoze should be the mainstay IMO, whilst we try to accomodate Cisse as best we can around that. He's a good player to introduce at HT or early on in the second half like Saturday, he always gets chances. Supersub might well be the way forward with Papiss. He relishes space and that obviously comes easier when the opposition are more fatigued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'd always start Cisse, tbh. With decent service he'll score goals without trying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse was suffering quite a lot in his run of bad form from being taken off early as well. It's a classic mistake managers make, taking off a striker off before 70 odd minutes because it looks like they haven't done much. They make them miss out on the highest scoring part of matches when the defences are getting tired, which is exactly when the extra spaces start to appear. There was a stat on Sky this morning regarding Andy Carroll. He has 10 in 16 for West Ham when he plays the full game. He has 1 goal in 18 games when he doesn't play the full game. Often managers bring on a lesser striker, but he looks better because he scores from being fresh in the game at a time when the defence isn't. (granted Cisse got the benefit of this at the weekend) Between taking him off repeatedly and Pardew playing Cisse on the right wing to accommodate Ba, he practically played him out of form. It really feels like the long injury lay off has given Cisse the chance to become un-pardewed and his good start this season has given him his confidence back. Cisse needs to be played right up top, given support up there, have plenty of crosses coming in and also be given the full game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did. I think the super sub route is a good compromise. He offers nowt in build-up for the team. And if he's not scoring, while he might "work hard" he's normally pretty terrible. Bringing him on fresh when the game is getting stretched, he'll find more space and be able to exploit his strengths more. From the start - I think he has an adverse effect on our overall team play. Cisse was suffering quite a lot in his run of bad form from being taken off early as well. It's a classic mistake managers make, taking off a striker off before 70 odd minutes because it looks like they haven't done much. They make them miss out on the highest scoring part of matches when the defences are getting tired, which is exactly when the extra spaces start to appear. There was a stat on Sky this morning regarding Andy Carroll. He has 10 in 16 for West Ham when he plays the full game. He has 1 goal in 18 games when he doesn't play the full game. Often managers bring on a lesser striker, but he looks better because he scores from being fresh in the game at a time when the defence isn't. (granted Cisse got the benefit of this at the weekend) Between taking him off repeatedly and Pardew playing Cisse on the right wing to accommodate Ba, he practically played him out of form. It really feels like the long injury lay off has given Cisse the chance to become un-pardewed and his good start this season has given him his confidence back. Cisse needs to be played right up top, given support up there, have plenty of crosses coming in and also be given the full game. I don't think a progressive side should be built around a poacher of Cisse's ilk imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did. I think the super sub route is a good compromise. He offers nowt in build-up for the team. And if he's not scoring, while he might "work hard" he's normally pretty terrible. Bringing him on fresh when the game is getting stretched, he'll find more space and be able to exploit his strengths more. From the start - I think he has an adverse effect on our overall team play. I don't think a progressive side should be built around a poacher of Cisse's ilk imo. I wouldn't build a side around Cisse either and the super sub route can be good for him at this point. I'm more giving a theory on why he has struggled for large periods under Pardew. Starting games and being taken off before the best scoring opportunity part of matches is a strategy for playing strikers out of their good form. Cisse will never be a good footballer, but I'd be tempted to have him starting most games for us. We're not Chelsea or Arsenal at the moment and we lack any kind of consistent goal scorer besides Cisse. There's some games where he might not be appropriate and where we won't be able to carry passengers, but his goal record is so good at the moment that I think we could carry him against lesser sides. I'm happy to have someone else up there, but sometimes Ayoze gets just as isolated and isn't as much of a goal threat. He's a better Footballer of course and that's the argument for him starting ahead of Cisse, but our main issue is that Riviere has so far not been up to it, or given the chance to show he is. So we don't have that physical presence and hold up man who would do the team play aspect a lot better, while also providing a goal threat. De Jong's absence and Ferreyra being a total mystery haven't helped matters either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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