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The imaginary period of incorrect offside goals lol. In that same season he scored and wwas given at least two that where actually offside. The beauty at S'hampon one of them.

 

Let's not re-write history folks. Not to mention 13/14 was last season where he was completely pants. In 12/13 he got 8 goals - maybe could've got a couple more after being wrongly offsided, could've had a couple less due to having disallowed goals stand.

 

What was imaginary about it? They were all proven to be onside :lol:

 

Also the Southampton goal was debatable due to the 2nd phase off Shaw... Same as his 1st against Liverpool...

 

Those goals disallowed Wouldve been a massive confidence boost for going into his 2nd full season with us with one being an equaliser in The Derby...

 

 

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The derby one infuriated me mostly because of Niall Quinn's reaction.  "Oh I think that was possibly onside."  He just couldn't bring himself to say it was definitively onside and a terrible decision, despite Cisse being about 3 yards onside.  Him and Ray Wilkins nearly gave me an aneurysm that season with their commentary.

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Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did.

 

Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate.

 

If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game.

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Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did.

 

 

Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate.

 

If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game.

 

Eh? Wenger says he regrets not signing Drogba. Wenger never particularly rated Van Nistelrooy - ever. A simple goal poacher who offered little else. RVN or a Cisse type wouldn't be a Mourinho player either. Incidentally the RVN years mirrored the worst of Man Utd's SAF PL period. Of course we aren't a top club.

 

Cisse's scored all his goals in the second half and I'd bring him on for that second period as it seems to be working.

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Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did.

 

Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate.

 

If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game.

He doesn't have great energy levels, I think he's better starting on the bench and coming on at half time if we aren't winning as he can be much more effective when fresh against a tiring defence.

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You dislike him as a player though, so I'm not sure that's actually the case. He's hit and miss, but put him in the box and he's going to score 9/10 imo.

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jesus - this place sometimes.

 

people arguing cisse should be on the bench are mad imo.

 

when we have confidence and our attacking play is rolling you do not get a better poacher! not the greatest footballer...but he ain´t that bad either.

 

needs to be fit to start of course....but in the right set up he is among the very best in the box!

 

:love:

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Imagine Darren Bent scoring the goals against Chelsea, Villa, Southampton and Swansea. Or even that Liverpool header for that matter. It just never happened.

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I'm not sure starting out wide really suits Perez, tbh, he seems to be a player at his most comfortable when moving out wide from a central position and then weaving back in to the space opened up. Cabella's a bit different, he seems more adept moving a few metres infield from the flank, picking up spaces inside & starting attacking moves (this'd suit Janmaat's game more too, IMO).

 

The other issue I have is our counter game with de Jong-Cisse together, we've been great recently having at least one of those two spots taken up by a player that can take the ball in transition and carry it up the pitch with speed, I think we'd lose a lot of that 'fret' with a one-paced combination like that.

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His link up play really is poor, but you could get away with that if his finishing was very reliable. Unfortunately we've found over a large number of games that it isn't.

 

The trouble with these specialist poachers is that the minute they go on a bit of a scoring run, everyone starts to say that they've recovered form, as though normal service has been resumed after a blip. In fact, by the laws of statistics, a striker's goals aren't going to be evenly spread out, and you are going to get these good runs and barren spells.

 

The question is, taking into account his overall play and his finishing ability as shown in bad times as well as good, is he the best option. For me, no. I'd continue to let Ayoze lead the line.

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It's weird, because when he first arrived his link up play was excellent. Almost as though it's been coached... Nah never mind.

 

He was playing with players whose link up player was significantly better than his like Cabaye, HBA and Ba.  But aye, he looked a player with a great first touch, could knock the ball about and was good even with his back to goal.  He doesn't have that quality of players to rely on.

 

But never the less, really hope he keeps his form and goalscoring up.  He just seems like such a sound bloke who is genuinely thankful to be where he is in life.  His constant smile and enthusiasm shows this.

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