LFEE Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The imaginary period of incorrect offside goals lol. In that same season he scored and wwas given at least two that where actually offside. The beauty at S'hampon one of them. Let's not re-write history folks. Not to mention 13/14 was last season where he was completely pants. In 12/13 he got 8 goals - maybe could've got a couple more after being wrongly offsided, could've had a couple less due to having disallowed goals stand. What was imaginary about it? They were all proven to be onside Also the Southampton goal was debatable due to the 2nd phase off Shaw... Same as his 1st against Liverpool... Those goals disallowed Wouldve been a massive confidence boost for going into his 2nd full season with us with one being an equaliser in The Derby... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The derby one infuriated me mostly because of Niall Quinn's reaction. "Oh I think that was possibly onside." He just couldn't bring himself to say it was definitively onside and a terrible decision, despite Cisse being about 3 yards onside. Him and Ray Wilkins nearly gave me an aneurysm that season with their commentary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I genuinely couldn't care less about Cisse's general play tbh, we have enough clever players behind him with pace for it not to be an issue. If Pardew wasn't instructing them to hoof the entire time anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did. Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate. If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did. Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate. If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game. Eh? Wenger says he regrets not signing Drogba. Wenger never particularly rated Van Nistelrooy - ever. A simple goal poacher who offered little else. RVN or a Cisse type wouldn't be a Mourinho player either. Incidentally the RVN years mirrored the worst of Man Utd's SAF PL period. Of course we aren't a top club. Cisse's scored all his goals in the second half and I'd bring him on for that second period as it seems to be working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Wenger might say it now. I remember him saying he wasn't very good in an interview right before he scored 2 goals at the Emirates. Cisse hasn't scored all his goals in the second half, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Cisse suffers from not being a good footballer (yet sometimes is a great poacher). So it's difficult for a manager to judge what to do with him. Your Wengers & Mourinho's wouldn't have him in a side because his all round game is poor. Wenger never rated RVN for example. Ferguson did. Wenger didn't rate Drogba, either, in spite of the fact he seemed to score against Arsenal in every other week. Who Wenger doesn't rate is about as relevant as who Pardew does rate. If Cisse's scoring goals, especially at his current ridiculous rate, and not hurting the tempo of our play with offsides there's no reason for him not to start every game. He doesn't have great energy levels, I think he's better starting on the bench and coming on at half time if we aren't winning as he can be much more effective when fresh against a tiring defence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'd always start Cisse, tbh. With decent service he'll score goals without trying. this. he draws attention in the box. de jong and good wingers/crossers is the way forward imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I just don't want our team to dependent on which side of the bed he wakes up on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 You dislike him as a player though, so I'm not sure that's actually the case. He's hit and miss, but put him in the box and he's going to score 9/10 imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I just don't want our team to dependent on which side of the bed he wakes up on. I think it's more that you're shitting yourself over being "proved wrong" with Cissé, you seem obsessed with him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 jesus - this place sometimes. people arguing cisse should be on the bench are mad imo. when we have confidence and our attacking play is rolling you do not get a better poacher! not the greatest footballer...but he ain´t that bad either. needs to be fit to start of course....but in the right set up he is among the very best in the box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Darren Bent mark 2 IMO. However, Cisse is likable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Darren Bent mark 2 IMO. However, Cisse is likable. Nah. Cisse is capable of extraordinary things when it involves getting the ball into the net, Darren Bent isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Darren Bent mark 2 IMO. However, Cisse is likable. Poo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Imagine Darren Bent scoring the goals against Chelsea, Villa, Southampton and Swansea. Or even that Liverpool header for that matter. It just never happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Aarons - Cisse - Ayoze De Jong Sissoko Abeid Sorry, Cabella Cabella instead of Aarons at the moment IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Agreed. I'd like Aarons to be an impact sub at first anyway assuming the players mentioned are fit. Would be really dangerous to bring on against tired legs. That and I think it will do him good not to be rushed back every bloody time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I'm not sure starting out wide really suits Perez, tbh, he seems to be a player at his most comfortable when moving out wide from a central position and then weaving back in to the space opened up. Cabella's a bit different, he seems more adept moving a few metres infield from the flank, picking up spaces inside & starting attacking moves (this'd suit Janmaat's game more too, IMO). The other issue I have is our counter game with de Jong-Cisse together, we've been great recently having at least one of those two spots taken up by a player that can take the ball in transition and carry it up the pitch with speed, I think we'd lose a lot of that 'fret' with a one-paced combination like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 The lineup I posted has the best chance of scoring goals, thats the only reason I posted it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Or hit them at pace and he'll volley or smack it in via his head (Anzhi home) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 His link up play really is poor, but you could get away with that if his finishing was very reliable. Unfortunately we've found over a large number of games that it isn't. The trouble with these specialist poachers is that the minute they go on a bit of a scoring run, everyone starts to say that they've recovered form, as though normal service has been resumed after a blip. In fact, by the laws of statistics, a striker's goals aren't going to be evenly spread out, and you are going to get these good runs and barren spells. The question is, taking into account his overall play and his finishing ability as shown in bad times as well as good, is he the best option. For me, no. I'd continue to let Ayoze lead the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's weird, because when he first arrived his link up play was excellent. Almost as though it's been coached... Nah never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 It's weird, because when he first arrived his link up play was excellent. Almost as though it's been coached... Nah never mind. He was playing with players whose link up player was significantly better than his like Cabaye, HBA and Ba. But aye, he looked a player with a great first touch, could knock the ball about and was good even with his back to goal. He doesn't have that quality of players to rely on. But never the less, really hope he keeps his form and goalscoring up. He just seems like such a sound bloke who is genuinely thankful to be where he is in life. His constant smile and enthusiasm shows this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 He's better linking up on the counter than he is when we're trying to unlock teams as his 1 touch football is/was brilliant, but he's always been prone to randomly hit a bafflingly poor ball into nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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