Guest firetotheworks Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Funny how how Ba gets called selfish for shooting from long way out and yet when HBA does the same thing it is because there's no movement around him. Don't think there was much wrong with Ba's attitude here. So he liked money? So what? He wanted to move to a bigger club? So what? He made a bit of a fuss wanting to play upfront, yes. Isn't that what Bellamy did as well? What's the difference here? The difference is that Bellamy was fucking mint and him playing on the wing was of detriment to the team. Ba playing on the left actually improved us massively. As for the other stuff, I don't remember anyone having a problem with him shooting. During the time when Cisse was scoring for fun, he was being a bit greedy mind, considering there actually were options during that time because we were playing decent football up front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ba - Cisse - HBA front three was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 We basically threw him in the shop window as well when Pardew dismantled our attack and made it all about Ba, seemingly to try and keep him happy, instead of returning back to THAT front 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ba - Cisse - HBA front three was The West Brom game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Essentially trading Ba for £8m and Gouffran was great business. Incredible stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Just had a flashback of when everyone breathed a sigh of relief cos they thought Ba's contract clause had expired in the summer. Next day, Pardew, straight in the papers: "don't worry you massive clubs, the clause is back in January" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Funny how how Ba gets called selfish for shooting from long way out and yet when HBA does the same thing it is because there's no movement around him. Don't think there was much wrong with Ba's attitude here. So he liked money? So what? He wanted to move to a bigger club? So what? He made a bit of a fuss wanting to play upfront, yes. Isn't that what Bellamy did as well? What's the difference here? The difference is that Bellamy was fucking mint and him playing on the wing was of detriment to the team. Ba playing on the left actually improved us massively. As for the other stuff, I don't remember anyone having a problem with him shooting. During the time when Cisse was scoring for fun, he was being a bit greedy mind, considering there actually were options during that time because we were playing decent football up front. Bellamy was definitely our best player when he left, whether it was upfront or on the wing. Playing Ba on the left coincided with a good run but I'm not sure that it "improved us massively". In reality, fucking Pardew failed to get the best out of that team and the failure of the BA-Cisse partnership is an indicator of that. Ba was criticised often on here for being "greedy" when taking shoots from range, but the same was not applicable for HBA, for whatever reason. (Well, it was nothing more than favouritism, really. Which is kinda shit and childish.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 People, on here and elsewhere, have criticised Ben Arfa plenty for his 'greed'. And even his biggest fan would say something if he did something blatantly moronic, you have an obvious, weird agenda against the lad. On the whole I thought Ba's shots from distance tended to be hit decently and I'm pretty sure I can remember at least a couple causing problems for the keeper that led to goals in the follow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 People, on here and elsewhere, have criticised Ben Arfa plenty for his 'greed'. And even his biggest fan would say something if he did something blatantly moronic, you have an obvious, weird agenda against the lad. On the whole I thought Ba's shots from distance tended to be hit decently and I'm pretty sure I can remember at least a couple causing problems for the keeper that led to goals in the follow up. Agenda? Don't be so fucking sensitive. I'm a fan of HBA but at the same time recognise that he's also to blame. Is that really so fucking hard and impossible to understand? Why does it have to be that you either hate him or love him? And, for your information, I never once criticised HBA for his defensive work. You clearly made a lazy assumption that just because I've criticised him in the past means that I'm don't like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Ba - Cisse - HBA front three was The West Brom game. Gouffran - Cisse - Obertan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The Ba/Cisse myth is annoying. Whenever we got a hammering under Pardew in those times we would revert to 4-4-2 in the next game. That happened when we went to Wigan. We got dismantled. Back to 4-4-2 against Chelsea, we win that game - Cisse scores two magnificent goals. We continue that formation into the next season. Staring with a 2-1 win at home to Spurs. We fail to kick on. At some point Cisse skies a penalty then we face Everton. Ba is dropped (despite being in good form) and we go 4-3-3. We are losing at HT 2-0. Ba comes on, grabs a brace. Ba's agent kicks off about him being benched. Ba back in the team and scoring. Cisse plays RW for 6 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 What myth? Isn't what you've just said pretty much the point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 People, on here and elsewhere, have criticised Ben Arfa plenty for his 'greed'. And even his biggest fan would say something if he did something blatantly moronic, you have an obvious, weird agenda against the lad. On the whole I thought Ba's shots from distance tended to be hit decently and I'm pretty sure I can remember at least a couple causing problems for the keeper that led to goals in the follow up. James Perch scored at Old Trafford after a long range effort from Ba had been parried by De Gea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 James Perch scored a goal at Old Trafford in the Premierleague. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 What myth? Isn't what you've just said pretty much the point? Nobody was forced for selfish. It was typical Pardew tepidness - which sometimes worked to move 4-4-2. Cisse was playing shite, Ba was playing well = Ba main man. Earned through performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 The Ba/Cisse myth is annoying. Whenever we got a hammering under Pardew in those times we would revert to 4-4-2 in the next game. That happened when we went to Wigan. We got dismantled. Back to 4-4-2 against Chelsea, we win that game - Cisse scores two magnificent goals. We continue that formation into the next season. Staring with a 2-1 win at home to Spurs. We fail to kick on. At some point Cisse skies a penalty then we face Everton. Ba is dropped (despite being in good form) and we go 4-3-3. We are losing at HT 2-0. Ba comes on, grabs a brace. Ba's agent kicks off about him being benched. Ba back in the team and scoring. Cisse plays RW for 6 games. What myth? At no point in your explanation is the formation Ben Arfa - Cisse - Ba in that season. Because that formation never once happened at any point during that season. Whether it was down to Pardew being shit, or Ba whinging doesn't change the fact that it never happened. As soon as Ba thought he was big time he wanted to leave. And where did it get him? Third in the Turkish league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 What myth? Isn't what you've just said pretty much the point? Nobody was forced for selfish. It was typical Pardew tepidness - which sometimes worked to move 4-4-2. Cisse was playing shite, Ba was playing well = Ba main man. Earned through performance. Cisse was scoring for fun until Pardew fiddled with a winning front three for no logical reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 What myth? Isn't what you've just said pretty much the point? Nobody was forced for selfish. It was typical Pardew tepidness - which sometimes worked to move 4-4-2. Cisse was playing s****, Ba was playing well = Ba main man. Earned through performance. Cisse was scoring for fun until Pardew fiddled with a winning front three for no logical reason. Nope. He changed after we lost to Wigan to a 4-4-2. The next game, in that 4-4-2 we beat Chelsea 2-0 (or 1) and Cisse scored twice. A number of Cisse's goals came from being in a 4-4-2. We only played 4-3-3 for something like 4 matches.. of which where among the best performances of the season I will agree. We played 4-4-2 for most of the season we finished 5th. We started the following season 4-4-2. Only went back to 4-3-3 when it became obvious we where shit and Ba played up top primarily which his performances deserved. We initally went to a 4-3-3 when we tried 4-4-2 for awhile, Cisse was scoring but Ba wasn't - so he went wide. Both occasion they rotated a fair bit. Cisse after a shit start to the season up front in the same 4-4-2 he excelled in 6 months prior. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Cisse is fucking blind trading down like that. Shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 'Nope' followed by absolute fiction. I don't even know where to begin. Cisse wasn't scoring for fun at the end of 11/12 was he not? It was in a 433 with Ba Left, Ben Arfa right and Cisse in the middle that we played our best stuff. Next season that formation never happened, not at any moment in any game until Ba was sold. I know because I was at every match and I was specifically looking out for it. If you're going to be a patronising little prat, at least get your facts right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Pardew deserved to be castrated for messing with that Ba-Cisse-Ben Arfa triumvirate. Still absolutely raging about that shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Cisse scored 2 in 3 after the Wigan defeat (both against Chelsea), before Wigan he scored 8 in 6 (7 in 5 in the 4-3-3 with HBA and Ba). Those successive 5 games were by far and away the best we've played under Pardew. Interesting that when checking the stats I came across this from our game against Norwich at the start of the following season (game after Everton): http://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/sep/23/newcastle-norwich-match-report "His agent has also reportedly professed displeasure at Pardew's now preferred 4-3-3 formation, which is designed to maximise Ben Arfa's talents but has frequently seen Ba deployed in a wide role to the left of Papiss Cissé." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Also, 2 of the BBC's match report headlines from the first 3 games of that season: Hatem Ben Arfa's penalty gave Newcastle an opening-day victory and ensured Andre Villas-Boas began his tenure as Tottenham manager with defeat. Hatem Ben Arfa's spectacular strike earned Newcastle a draw as they came from behind to deny Paul Lambert a first league win as Aston Villa boss. No way he would have won us any points last season though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Yes, HBA would have definitely earned us extra points had he been here last season. However, I don't think the the number of those points would have been significant enough to 'earn' us more than mid table mediocrity. Don't even think for one moment that HBA would have guided us to anything higher. So, taking the above scenario into consideration, I would say that this is probably a blessing in disguise as a mid table finish could well have been enough, in Ashley's eyes, to give the job to Carver. Incidentally, the only time I remember Ba and Cisse 'linking-up' well, was when one of them (don't remember which) won a penalty against Wigan at SJP. (3-0) apart from that, they played very much as individuals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 That wasn't aimed at you btw Dinho, some clampit the other week. The thing with Ba and Cisse was that Ba was the only capable player we had who could play on the left, although they did link up well still (WBA especially). When you pull Ba into the middle you have to change the whole system to either a 4-4-2 or some really random shit like Cisse on the right. If we had a proper left winger there would have been little problem with Ba and Cisse battling it out for the striker role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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