Guest neesy111 Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Beat Manchester United 4-4-2, Chelsea 4-4-2. Cisse's debut against Villa 4-4-2 when he came off the bench. We got tonked by Wigan and we stopped with the 4-3-3 after winning so many games with that formation. It had nothing to do with Ba. In the next game we went back to basics and beat Chelsea 4-4-2. From that point Pardew would change between those formations based on the scenario. You and your making up of stuff man. Cisse arrived 2 weeks after we beat Man Utd ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So you find it a coincidence that as soon as Ba threw his toys out the pram we immediately switched back to 442? Ba was definitely the reason, but that's over now Ba left and Cisse will probably never be effective for this football club ever again. Did he throw his toys out the pram when we got slapped by Wigan? Or was it just before that game he came off the bench and scored twice to get us a point? Around the same time Cisse had 0 goals in 3 games and Ba had 3 in 3. In the very next game selfish Demba let Papiss take a penalty at 1-0 that he absolutely ballooned. But Cisse's lack of confidence is down to Demba Ba and Alan Pardew. And as Unbelievable already mentoined. Cisse played wide for 4 games. 4! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 You say 'plenty' and give one example. We were winning games with that system yet went into the new season with a different one. Pretty obvious something was said in the summer. Beat Manchester United 4-4-2, Chelsea 4-4-2. Cisse's debut against Villa 4-4-2 when he came off the bench. We got tonked by Wigan and we stopped with the 4-3-3 after winning so many games with that formation. It had nothing to do with Ba. In the next game we went back to basics and beat Chelsea 4-4-2. From that point Pardew would change between those formations based on the scenario. You and your making up of stuff man. Cisse arrived 2 weeks after we beat Man Utd ffs. Yes I know that. Shola tore Evans to shreds. My point is we had several great results playing 4-4-2 that season. It's teh formation that put is in that fight for 4th place. It got some of our best results, some of which included Cisse in that formation, scoring goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 So you find it a coincidence that as soon as Ba threw his toys out the pram we immediately switched back to 442? Ba was definitely the reason, but that's over now Ba left and Cisse will probably never be effective for this football club ever again. Did he throw his toys out the pram when we got slapped by Wigan? Or was it just before that game he came off the bench and scored twice to get us a point? Around the same time Cisse had 0 goals in 3 games and Ba had 3 in 3. In the very next game selfish Demba let Papiss take a penalty at 1-0 that he absolutely ballooned. But Cisse's lack of confidence is down to Demba Ba and Alan Pardew. And as Unbelievable already mentoined. Cisse played wide for 4 games. 4! He threw his toys out the pram during Swansea... Pardew just needed a reason to change back and the Wigan defeat was that reason. Chelsea, City and Everton we played 4-4-2 after that and for the rest of Ba's career at this club except for the odd occasion Cisse played wide. Not talking about the following season, it all started from the final 3 games of the 5th placed finish season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 But we continued to play 4-3-3 after Swansea because we where winning and the team played well. Ba played in all of those games. We started 3 matches with that formation after Swansea. If what you are saying is true we would've changed formation the next game. That didn't happen. And I don't believe Pardew was looking for an excuse to change just for Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Still blaming Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Still blaming Ba Aye it's lunacy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Mirror.co.uk Newcastle United prepared to offload striker Papiss Cisse ChronicleLive-19 minutes agoShare However, this is a move that would only interest Cisse if he was assured of first-team football, and that it was a permanent deal. It is understood that he isn't keen ... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-prepared-offload-papiss-6553821 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Mirror.co.uk Newcastle United prepared to offload striker Papiss Cisse ChronicleLive-19 minutes agoShare However, this is a move that would only interest Cisse if he was assured of first-team football, and that it was a permanent deal. It is understood that he isn't keen ... http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-prepared-offload-papiss-6553821 8 days to go so I doubt all these rumoured deals are going to happen. Seems our "legs have been swimming under water" for too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 I would swap him for anyone at the moment, take your pick: Shane Long f*** off, man. No chance How on earth is Shane Long rated so highly on here...same Shane Long that was going to tear Colo a new one then we hardly seen him. 1 game He's played well against us in the past, and I don't think it's a case of him being highly rated, more hard worker = Pardew happy. Hans, i'd struggle to find a more bang average player than Shane Long. Like you say, he works hard, that's his best attribute. He might go on a run of 3/4 games where he'll score then go missing for 15. He hasn't even nailed down a spot as a striker for West Brom, baffled how they've managed to get 6 million for a player in and out of their side. The Colo comment was more of a dig at all those slagging off Colo to the extreme, like they are doing with Cisse in this thread. It's way over the top and we make them sound proper shit. I mean because Long had a good game previously against Colo, people were saying Long would tear Colo a new one, was laughable. Some of the comments our club captain gets is a complete joke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Long's been poor this season. Over the last season and a half he's still scored more goals than finishing/poacher supreme Papiss Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Cisse's scored 22 goals in 55 games in the Prem since arriving. Long has scored 19 goals in 81 games in Prem for West Brom. Massive difference really. Especially when you consider Long had previous experience with Reading in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 8 min Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse has turned down the chance to join Borussia Monchengladbach on loan. #NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Not bothered about him leaving as long as we replace him with someone who is at least a threat. My opinion of him as a football went down very quickly, his decline has been shocking and I think change is best for both parties now. Shame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Cisse's scored 22 goals in 55 games in the Prem since arriving. Long has scored 19 goals in 81 games in Prem for West Brom. Massive difference really. Especially when you consider Long had previous experience with Reading in the league. Nobody thinks Long's a good player because of his strike rate though. He's often been used a substitute too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 60 starts out of the 81...i know he's not known for his goalscoring, i just think he's overrated on this board. He's average, he'll work hard for the team, has pace and will chip in with a few goals. Around 6 million pound for him? Not for me, I'd take Cisse everytime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Not sure how Shane Long came up, but whilst I like him as a player, there's nothing he can do that someone like Gouffran can't. We need a better long term solution than both Cisse and Long to lead the line for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 We seem to rate Long because he seems to play well against us, Colo especially. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's average, he'll work hard for the team, has pace and will chip in with a few goals. Around 6 million pound for him? You've just described Craig Bellamy before he signed for us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's average, he'll work hard for the team, has pace and will chip in with a few goals. Around 6 million pound for him? You've just described Craig Bellamy before he signed for us As much as he was a gobshite i used to love watching Bellamy play for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You guys know Long signed for Hull already, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 You guys know Long signed for Hull already, right? Wat........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Pete O'Rourke @SkySportsPeteO 8 min Newcastle striker Papiss Cisse has turned down the chance to join Borussia Monchengladbach on loan. #NUFC So long De Jong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's average, he'll work hard for the team, has pace and will chip in with a few goals. Around 6 million pound for him? You've just described Craig Bellamy before he signed for us I was never a Bellamy fan, even back when he played for us. However i can't deny what a huge impact he had on us, was a perfect fold for Shearer. Saying this Long is nowhere near as good as Bellamy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's average, he'll work hard for the team, has pace and will chip in with a few goals. Around 6 million pound for him? You've just described Craig Bellamy before he signed for us I was never a Bellamy fan, even back when he played for us. However i can't deny what a huge impact he had on us, was a perfect fold for Shearer. Saying this Long is nowhere near as good as Bellamy. How could you not be a Bellamy fan? He transformed our team from mid-table to one of the best in the country. Best signing we've made in the past 15 years. Bellamy and Dyer in 2001/02 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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