AlanSkÃrare Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas stands out like a sore thumb in that, which speaks for itself because he's not a 'bad' player. Different qualities from him and Marveaux means we can still be pretty happy about that left wing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas stands out like a sore thumb in that, which speaks for itself because he's not a 'bad' player. Yeah, I agree. Whilst I'd argue that in games against the 'lesser' teams, particularly at home, Marveaux might be a better selection, Jonas would be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me when we're playing any of the top half teams. As NUFC supporters we're not really used to having feasible options past our first 11 players, feels good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hydeous Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I think this season we'll see Marveaux really fight for a place in the first 11. Great that we finally have players of quality fighting for places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas stands out like a sore thumb in that, which speaks for itself because he's not a 'bad' player. Not if it's the 4-3-3. He's a vital cog in that midfield triumvirate and he's absolutely vital to the flair player(/s) ahead of him. If it's in a 4-4-2, i'd agree - but there's decent competition for places at LW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Agree with Ronny in a little way, after Simpson goes then Jonas is the next 'weak link' but by no means as weak as our current situation. After that, it's Taylor - which just shows our quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Been waiting over a decade for a quality RB that is solid and can attack almost like a Wingback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas stands out like a sore thumb in that, which speaks for itself because he's not a 'bad' player. Yeah, I agree. Whilst I'd argue that in games against the 'lesser' teams, particularly at home, Marveaux might be a better selection, Jonas would be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me when we're playing any of the top half teams. As NUFC supporters we're not really used to having feasible options past our first 11 players, feels good. Marveaux would defo be better from attacking point of view but Jonas' is really an all-rounder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 There are big flaws in Jonas' game which prevent from being an all-rounder. Defensively he's very accomplished for his position, so he's a must against the rest of the top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Been waiting over a decade for a quality RB that is solid and can attack almost like a Wingback. How solid would you say he is? Better defensively than Beye? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas will nearly always get picked, his workrate alone is a big factor for Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Been waiting over a decade for a quality RB that is solid and can attack almost like a Wingback. How solid would you say he is? Better defensively than Beye? Similar from when I've seen him, obviously the thing that stands out about him is his attacking contribution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I loved Beye, then he broke my heart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas is a must when we fear fast counters down that flank. Jonas' capability in central midfield also make him very useful. I don't think he sticks out, and he's also the type of player I want in the dressing room attitude wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Unlikely but hope we at least hold on to Simpson 'til January and take a small hit in transfer fee. We're still badly lacking in squad depth & I'd have no problem him playing in lesser league/Europa games to allow Debuchy time to get upto speed. Jonas - Marveux aside the drop off in ability is far, far too big and even then Marveux is unproven both in being able to hack it in the league and staying fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas is a must when we fear fast counters down that flank. Jonas' capability in central midfield also make him very useful. I don't think he sticks out, and he's also the type of player I want in the dressing room attitude wise. I'd second that tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas stands out like a sore thumb in that, which speaks for itself because he's not a 'bad' player. Not if it's the 4-3-3. He's a vital cog in that midfield triumvirate and he's absolutely vital to the flair player(/s) ahead of him. If it's in a 4-4-2, i'd agree - but there's decent competition for places at LW. Even for 4-3-3 it could work, just put Cabaye in Jonas role and Marveaux in Cabaye's role. It's so nice to have so many options Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas is the player that gives the team that bit extra physicality and ability to make the opposition work. Nobody gets past him without a battle, and nobody tackles him without committing at least two players. He showed some nice passing in the midfield three as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jomas has a bit more to him than the work rate though, when he's surrounded by attacking players (movement and pace in particular) he always seems to find a creative edge, lots of diagonals and intelligent passing (done it a fair bit with Ben Arfa and even in the Championship with Lovenkrands playing ahead of him). It's probably fair to say he's the 'weak link' in the eleven but he's got a lot to contribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jonas is a must when we fear fast counters down that flank. Jonas' capability in central midfield also make him very useful. I don't think he sticks out, and he's also the type of player I want in the dressing room attitude wise. I can see Jonas being our Park Ji Sung. Used in the big games where his work ethic comes into play, with Marveaux used against the lesser sides or when we're playing an out-and-out 4-4-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Must say, I love a bit of Jonas me, really like his workrate, industry and has a lot to offer going forward. Seems like a top lad too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Unlikely but hope we at least hold on to Simpson 'til January and take a small hit in transfer fee. We're still badly lacking in squad depth & I'd have no problem him playing in lesser league/Europa games to allow Debuchy time to get upto speed. Jonas - Marveux aside the drop off in ability is far, far too big and even then Marveux is unproven both in being able to hack it in the league and staying fit. think Tav is ready to step up as back up RB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Must say, I love a bit of Jonas me, really like his workrate, industry and has a lot to offer going forward. Seems like a top lad too. Me too, he's class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Must say, I love a bit of Jonas me, really like his workrate, industry and has a lot to offer going forward. Seems like a top lad too. Me too, he's class. Jonas is a quality guy and he can definitely do a job in games, at times both offensively and defensively. Mainly the latter, but I think there will be times this season when he doesn't produce enough going forward. Step up Marv who's class Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Unlikely but hope we at least hold on to Simpson 'til January and take a small hit in transfer fee. We're still badly lacking in squad depth & I'd have no problem him playing in lesser league/Europa games to allow Debuchy time to get upto speed. Jonas - Marveux aside the drop off in ability is far, far too big and even then Marveux is unproven both in being able to hack it in the league and staying fit. think Tav is ready to step up as back up RB I've not seen enough in competitive games to comment but as with all youngsters sending him out on loan and ensuring he gets 90 mins under his belt each week will do wonders. He impressed at the Heed and Sheff Wed so get him tested in the CCC, comes back in Jan and take it from there if Simpson has by then left. Still got Raylor like and although I like him as a pro the further he is away from full backs slots the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Must say, I love a bit of Jonas me, really like his workrate, industry and has a lot to offer going forward. Seems like a top lad too. Me too, but i do feel in some games Marveaux offers more going forward and in a creative sense. Not to detract from the point though, because Jonas offers so much but not just in a work rate sense, he is very good at intercepting passes and starting attacks with quick, incisive passers. In short he's perfect for the role next to Tiote in a 4-3-3. I'm happy with both of them and it's nice to have 2 fantastic options competing for a spot, but both offering different things to the team. As for back up options to Debuchy i'm not concerned about that, we have Perch and Tavernier who is ready to step up to the plate IMO and if it gets really bad we could always put Santon at RB and play Raylor, Ferguson at LB etc etc. Apart from back up CB and CF options i'm happy with the squad across the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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