Jack Flash Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Much better, a bit of creativity in the formation worked a treat. Good work and I understand taking the foot off the pedal in the second, no need to risk injuries. We still got 2. Don't think those things relates at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 looks stressed in that bbc interview.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We weren't out-numbered in midfield, we didn't hoof it and we won. 15 games to work that one out, better late than never. 4-4-2 at Fulham it is then Don't I can't bear to sit through a repeat of Southampton away, especially as I'm going to it I was going to go too but its my Young un's 7th birthday, Mrs Bimps told me in uncertain terms i wasn't going. Bitch. glad to see you survived last night btw I'll bet Bimpys Mrs is absolutely lush Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 A better game to watch with more constructive football instead of the hoofing from the back as has been the case - why has he had to be put under so much pressure by fans/results before any action to correct the route 1 stuff was taken ? I n Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Easier on the eye, and far more effective than the hit and hope stuff being dished out in previous games....why has he had to come under so much presssure from fans and results before taking action to utilise the players' skills better ? I never thought tonight's result would decide Pardew's fate unless we took a real tonking because the board are in a corner ... for now. Even so, we have a tough programme between now and mid-Jan, so I reckon the jury is still out on his fate. Get bombed out of the Cup again by Brighton and hovering near bottom 3 by mid-Jan and I reckon the pressure will be back on big-time. In the meantime, we can be grateful for small mercies and enjoy a few days breathing space... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Easier on the eye, and far more effective than the hit and hope stuff being dished out in previous games....why has he had to come under so much presssure from fans and results before taking action to utilise the players' skills better ? I never thought tonight's result would decide Pardew's fate unless we took a real tonking because the board are in a corner ... for now. Even so, we have a tough programme between now and mid-Jan, so I reckon the jury is still out on his fate. Get bombed out of the Cup again by Brighton and hovering near bottom 3 by mid-Jan and I reckon the pressure will be back on big-time. In the meantime, we can be grateful for small mercies and enjoy a few days breathing space... I came away from the match happy for the first time in the league this season. I'm a bit pissed off that it's taken 15 games to put on a performance but we can't go back in time and change anything so might as well enjoy it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Easier on the eye, and far more effective than the hit and hope stuff being dished out in previous games....why has he had to come under so much presssure from fans and results before taking action to utilise the players' skills better ? I never thought tonight's result would decide Pardew's fate unless we took a real tonking because the board are in a corner ... for now. Even so, we have a tough programme between now and mid-Jan, so I reckon the jury is still out on his fate. Get bombed out of the Cup again by Brighton and hovering near bottom 3 by mid-Jan and I reckon the pressure will be back on big-time. In the meantime, we can be grateful for small mercies and enjoy a few days breathing space... I came away from the match happy for the first time in the league this season. I'm a bit p*ssed off that it's taken 15 games to put on a performance but we can't go back in time and change anything so might as well enjoy it. Yep, let's look forward instead of back. I've been very critical of Pardew this season and am still not convinced he's the man to take us forward but the fact he finally abandoned that abortion of a system we were playing is a good sign. I just hope he's starting to learn the lessons he should have learnt 10 games ago and we can push on from here. We won't be able to judge anything from the Bordeaux game as it's going to be the under 11s playing at this rate but our next PL game should give an idea whether he's really turned a corner or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 He's got the players playing for him It's a start! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 There's a great website out there which I've never actually used until now but you can see why it might be popular: stumbleupon.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Easier on the eye, and far more effective than the hit and hope stuff being dished out in previous games....why has he had to come under so much presssure from fans and results before taking action to utilise the players' skills better ? I never thought tonight's result would decide Pardew's fate unless we took a real tonking because the board are in a corner ... for now. Even so, we have a tough programme between now and mid-Jan, so I reckon the jury is still out on his fate. Get bombed out of the Cup again by Brighton and hovering near bottom 3 by mid-Jan and I reckon the pressure will be back on big-time. In the meantime, we can be grateful for small mercies and enjoy a few days breathing space... Players looked much more 'on it' to me. Marv and Anita looked like they were playing for their lives. The slightly softer system encourages shorter passing (just saying) and movement. Cisse looked like he has another gear (when encouraged not to just goal hang). All in all a delightful game notwithstanding the huge chunk of luck. Not out of the woods yet and I suspect Wigan would have given us a real game (looking at the first 10min). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Next six games aren't very nice It'll be interesting to see how the crowd reacts if we pick up less than 6 points... Which i think we'll get four from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I think we have a chance at Fulham if we go there and play. The top sides are due a dip as well. Arsenal look beatable atm. Especially if we keep passing and get Hatem back. Main concern is withstanding Williamson for the whole of december. Might see Perch in there if we're lucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Majority of teams we play in December are not really direct and use target men to hold the ball up so i'd rather Perch play tbh. Better passing from the back into midfield too but Pards will probably go with Williamson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 last 2 games have shown he clearly hasn't lost the dressing room as was being suggested by some. delighted we have stopped lumping it forward, hopefully it stays this way. I'm bewildered why he has taken so long to change it mind, but thank god he has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 A broken clock's right twice a day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 A broken clock's right twice a day I really hope Inochi sees this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 last 2 games have shown he clearly hasn't lost the dressing room as was being suggested by some. delighted we have stopped lumping it forward, hopefully it stays this way. I'm bewildered why he has taken so long to change it mind, but thank god he has. I don't think there was any major sea change change in our philosophy last night, it is how Pardew and the team ideally want to play. We resort to lumping it when we are put under more pressure, and we will go back to doing it again in the coming games. We all hate it, but I'll still have a certain degree of sympathy with it as long as we struggle to put out a fairly consistent side (whether that is due to injuries or the fatigue of a squad lacking depth in Europe). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We did alright tonight, but one thing that I've noticed with Pardew is that we're always happy with a 2/3 goal lead. Noticed it again tonight when we were 3-0 up, had the chance to counter from a corner, but nobody was pushing forward and the ball went back to Wigan. The 1-3 at West Brom last season the same kind of thing happened, we played some amazing stuff first half, but we just seemed to be content with having a decent lead with chances coming here and there. My memory isn't the best but I think the last time we scored 4 goals in a game was Wolves at home in 2010-11? Don't get me wrong i'm over the moon with the win,but we could of raped Wigan tonight and we just went a bit flat after we were comfortable. Does my head in that we've not gave anybody a thrashing for ages. Good post. We almost exclusively look to sit back and defend a lead. We just lack the players for it to work effectively and it's horrible to watch. Wigan looked dangerous for a spell at the start of the second half. We were all over the shop and invited too much pressure. We end up looking nervy, the crowd get edgy and it's just a vicious circle. The game against Maritimo was a perfect example and we were guilty of it to a point against Stoke. I'm not saying we should be gung ho, but we certainly need to be more positive. The 2 or 3 hammerings we had last season didn't help the goal dif, but neither did the negative, sit back on a slender lead mentality. There have been lots of games where the opposition are there for the taking, we have a chance to boost the goals for column, pass the ball about nicely and get a bit of confidence up. We just plonk everyone behind the ball! Would be foolish to get too carried away, bit hard to judge the performance really. But there were a lot of positives to take at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We did alright tonight, but one thing that I've noticed with Pardew is that we're always happy with a 2/3 goal lead. Noticed it again tonight when we were 3-0 up, had the chance to counter from a corner, but nobody was pushing forward and the ball went back to Wigan. The 1-3 at West Brom last season the same kind of thing happened, we played some amazing stuff first half, but we just seemed to be content with having a decent lead with chances coming here and there. My memory isn't the best but I think the last time we scored 4 goals in a game was Wolves at home in 2010-11? Don't get me wrong i'm over the moon with the win,but we could of raped Wigan tonight and we just went a bit flat after we were comfortable. Does my head in that we've not gave anybody a thrashing for ages. Good post. We almost exclusively look to sit back and defend a lead. We just lack the players for it to work effectively and it's horrible to watch. Wigan looked dangerous for a spell at the start of the second half. We were all over the shop and invited too much pressure. We end up looking nervy, the crowd get edgy and it's just a vicious circle. The game against Maritimo was a perfect example and we were guilty of it to a point against Stoke. I'm not saying we should be gung ho, but we certainly need to be more positive. The 2 or 3 hammerings we had last season didn't help the goal dif, but neither did the negative, sit back on a slender lead mentality. There have been lots of games where the opposition are there for the taking, we have a chance to boost the goals for column, pass the ball about nicely and get a bit of confidence up. We just plonk everyone behind the ball! Would be foolish to get too carried away, bit hard to judge the performance really. But there were a lot of positives to take at least. Did we actually sit back, or did Wigan not come out for the second half in desperate need for an early goal? We contained them fairly well and then got back into our stride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Last time we played Wigan we got beat by 5 right? And people wonder why he tried to close the game out when we were on top? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We did alright tonight, but one thing that I've noticed with Pardew is that we're always happy with a 2/3 goal lead. Noticed it again tonight when we were 3-0 up, had the chance to counter from a corner, but nobody was pushing forward and the ball went back to Wigan. The 1-3 at West Brom last season the same kind of thing happened, we played some amazing stuff first half, but we just seemed to be content with having a decent lead with chances coming here and there. My memory isn't the best but I think the last time we scored 4 goals in a game was Wolves at home in 2010-11? Don't get me wrong i'm over the moon with the win,but we could of raped Wigan tonight and we just went a bit flat after we were comfortable. Does my head in that we've not gave anybody a thrashing for ages. Good post. We almost exclusively look to sit back and defend a lead. We just lack the players for it to work effectively and it's horrible to watch. Wigan looked dangerous for a spell at the start of the second half. We were all over the shop and invited too much pressure. We end up looking nervy, the crowd get edgy and it's just a vicious circle. The game against Maritimo was a perfect example and we were guilty of it to a point against Stoke. I'm not saying we should be gung ho, but we certainly need to be more positive. The 2 or 3 hammerings we had last season didn't help the goal dif, but neither did the negative, sit back on a slender lead mentality. There have been lots of games where the opposition are there for the taking, we have a chance to boost the goals for column, pass the ball about nicely and get a bit of confidence up. We just plonk everyone behind the ball! Would be foolish to get too carried away, bit hard to judge the performance really. But there were a lot of positives to take at least. Did we actually sit back, or did Wigan not come out for the second half in desperate need for an early goal? We contained them fairly well and then got back into our stride. Bit of both clearly, but I think we sat back for quite a lot of the second half. We were comfortable for the majority, but if Kone didn't play in blind alleys like Martins and Di Santo looked to pass instead of shank it from 30 yards, they might have posed more problems. We lack any composure at the back. Even Colo seems to have caught the Williamson bug. We looked a bit rushed for 5-10 minutes and kept giving the ball back to them to start another attack. But once Bigi settled, we started playing well again in fairness. I'm not basing this just on last night, as for the most part, it was enjoyable to watch and we were much improved. But it's been a feature of Pardew's time in charge. Sorry to bring it up again, but the 4 days defensive work, 1 day attacking quote might be a factor!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 It was 4, but yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Last time we played Wigan we got beat by 5 right? And people wonder why he tried to close the game out when we were on top? I just find it amazing that anyone can dispute that it actually happened. We try to close every game out ages before the last 20 minutes, you'd think it would have sunk in by now that this is what we do. But no, we were just trying to contain Wigan, it's just a coincidence. I'm not even saying I have a problem with it this time, we needed to win and we won well. But it definitely happened ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 What last night highlighted for me was the effectiveness of a player with Marveaux's attributes spending more time in a central position, and the damage it can do. Ben Arfa is obviously superior, and should play the same role when he's in the side, especially against the "lesser" teams. There's a time to be disciplined, and I believe HBA has proved he can be, and a time to allow a master artist to just paint a beautiful picture. I hope Pardew can liberate the few creative players we have, having realized that it's only way we're going to get the best out of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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