AlanSkÃrare Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The set piece failures is probably the most idiotic thing of all. It's been going on for so fucking long as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The set piece failures is probably the most idiotic thing of all. It's been going on for so fucking long as well. There's just not enough training hours in the day for Alan to cover all these things, come on man we've been over this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The set piece failures is probably the most idiotic thing of all. It's been going on for so fucking long as well. There's just not enough training hours in the day for Alan to cover all these things, come on man we've been over this! Loved the fact that at the start of the season he said we'd cracked it. Our corners would be unstoppable!* *not an exact quote, but not far off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 There was a period when our corners looked really inventive as well. The one with Colo arriving late, the short one to HBA etc. Not sure why we reverted to the shite ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alan Pardew has almost 0 say in our signings. If he wants a player and he's relatively cheap and young we'll go for him. That's Obertan and possibly Demba. the rest? HBA, Cabaye, Anita, Cisse, Marveaux et al. NO CHOICE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Anita and Marveaux take a better corner than Cabaye, which is hardly saying anything. But just look at every corner and free kick Everton had around the box last week. Every one was right in the danger area. We dealt with them OK to be fair, but what I'd give for us to have someone who can deliver a ball like Baines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The set piece thing genuinely keeps me awake. Its the definition of madness, repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results Definition of insanity? Have you played Far Cry 3 over Christmas by any chance? The set pieces are horrendous. What happened to our set piece coach and extra time to work on them? Didn't he say before the Stoke game we were going to vary them a lot more..... On the set piece thing, I somehow managed to get into a row with some lad at Arsenal about it. Passing comment to my mate about the back post/front post dink, that never leads to anything. It was right on the halfway line and out wide. Colo dinked it to the back post area, straight to one of their players, they countered and nearly scored. I said again to my mate I was sick to death of watching our clueless set pieces. Some bloke in front pipes up, that the Williamson set piece is only front post, there was nothing else Colo could have done with the free kick and to get off the manager's back. I suggested not kicking the ball straight to the opposition and actually varying what we do at set plays, like maybe once in a while playing it short, quick or whipping it in for a change might help. Seeing as we never score from them, something has to be up? He told me I know nothing about football and he hated my cockney accent (I'm not a cockney) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Anita and Marveaux take a better corner than Cabaye, which is hardly saying anything. But just look at every corner and free kick Everton had around the box last week. Every one was right in the danger area. We dealt with them OK to be fair, but what I'd give for us to have someone who can deliver a ball like Baines. We dealt with them quite well for a change. But you got the feeling that every corner and set piece was going to result in a goal. When we get a corner you think first man and a free kick you know it's a foul from Williamson or straight off for a goal kick. Depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alan Pardew has almost 0 say in our signings. If he wants a player and he's relatively cheap and young we'll go for him. That's Obertan and possibly Demba. the rest? HBA, Cabaye, Anita, Cisse, Marveaux et al. NO CHOICE. Wait? Is this a complaint? If he knew he could only work with players hand picked by himself, then he shouldn't have taken the job tbh. The one thing we are definitely getting right at the inute is the calibre of players we're recruiting. We could do with getting a few more in, and in a timely manner, but we have some damn good players. Pardew should bow out if he doesn't know what to do with them, and is instead pining for his Jason Puncheons, Danny Grahams and Adam Llalanas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time. Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers. I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game. Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle. I think statements like this are utterly pointless. It's not. We'd all love Moyes here now but look at his earlier time at Everton 2001-02: 15th 2002-03: 7th 2003-04: 17th 2004-05: 4th (Qualification for UEFA Champions League) 2005-06: 11th We'd have sacked him after finishing 7th, then 17th, guaranteed. And maybe after finishing 11th after finishing 4th. Sticking with managers is great. As a club and supporters, we are impatient. This is down to years of under-performing or coming close but never winning trophies. We've never allowed a manager to take a step-backwards to take 2 forward. 1 step back and they're gone and everyone is glad they've gone. Bobby went 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd & 5th, had we let him go at the end of the 5th finishing season 90% of the people on here would've happily let him go. It's in the nature of our club to act with haste unfortunately. This is not helped by the fact our best manager's in 25 years left after only 1 "poor" season. We need a mentality change if we are to become successful and stick with a manager. Saying all of that, I don't think Pardew is the guy to trust. I'd take some yoyo (in the PL) with a youngish fresh manager or a inexperienced coach turned-manager or at least a manager with an admirable philosophy. I think Pardew's a bit too far along in his managerial career to make the necessary changes. Moyes has had 14 years straight with 2 clubs to build his philosophy. Pardew's had a similar amount of time as a manager but always chopped and changed, preventing him to build a proper identity bigger than "don't get sacked". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think a lot of managers who could have been good or even great fall through the cracks because they aren't given enough time. Very few of the "great" managers of our time go to a club and produce instant results. Most of them had an experience where someone took chance on them through tough times and they had the opportunity to really put their stamp on a club as a long term project. This sort of experience allowed them to achieve their full potential as managers. I think a big part of becoming a good manager is experience rather than natural ability, and you're obviously deprived of much of the experience you need to improve your managing when you're just sacked a the first sign of weakness and bouncing from failure to failure, eventually washing out of the game. Not necessary saying that Pardew is one of these people, but it is true in principle. I think statements like this are utterly pointless. It's not. We'd all love Moyes here now but look at his earlier time at Everton 2001-02: 15th 2002-03: 7th 2003-04: 17th 2004-05: 4th (Qualification for UEFA Champions League) 2005-06: 11th We'd have sacked him after finishing 7th, then 17th, guaranteed. And maybe after finishing 11th after finishing 4th. Sticking with managers is great. As a club and supporters, we are impatient. This is down to years of under-performing or coming close but never winning trophies. We've never allowed a manager to take a step-backwards to take 2 forward. 1 step back and they're gone and everyone is glad they've gone. Bobby went 11th, 11th, 4th, 3rd & 5th, had we let him go at the end of the 5th finishing season 90% of the people on here would've happily let him go. It's in the nature of our club to act with haste unfortunately. This is not helped by the fact our best manager's in 25 years left after only 1 "poor" season. We need a mentality change if we are to become successful and stick with a manager. Saying all of that, I don't think Pardew is the guy to trust. I'd take some yoyo (in the PL) with a youngish fresh manager or a inexperienced coach turned-manager or at least a manager with an admirable philosophy. I think Pardew's a bit too far along in his managerial career to make the necessary changes. Moyes has had 14 years straight with 2 clubs to build his philosophy. Pardew's had a similar amount of time as a manager but always chopped and changed, preventing him to build a proper identity bigger than "don't get sacked". Good post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alan Pardew has almost 0 say in our signings. If he wants a player and he's relatively cheap and young we'll go for him. That's Obertan and possibly Demba. the rest? HBA, Cabaye, Anita, Cisse, Marveaux et al. NO CHOICE. Wait? Is this a complaint? If he knew he could only work with players hand picked by himself, then he shouldn't have taken the job tbh. The one thing we are definitely getting right at the inute is the calibre of players we're recruiting. We could do with getting a few more in, and in a timely manner, but we have some damn good players. Pardew should bow out if he doesn't know what to do with them, and is instead pining for his Jason Puncheons, Danny Grahams and Adam Llalanas. No it's not a complaint. I do think we need a proper DoF though. Atm it's just Ashley & Lambias signing the players they can afford that are highly recommended by Carr it seems. I don't think they really consider the needs of the team when we sign players which has led to an unbalanced squad. A DoF woudl bring some continuity even if we change managers as the same type of players would be signed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Pardew's really missed a trick by always forfeiting the cups. Win a cup, any cup and he'lll buy himself years with the fans and probably the board too. Not if we get relegated.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Alan Pardew has almost 0 say in our signings. If he wants a player and he's relatively cheap and young we'll go for him. That's Obertan and possibly Demba. the rest? HBA, Cabaye, Anita, Cisse, Marveaux et al. NO CHOICE. Wait? Is this a complaint? If he knew he could only work with players hand picked by himself, then he shouldn't have taken the job tbh. The one thing we are definitely getting right at the inute is the calibre of players we're recruiting. We could do with getting a few more in, and in a timely manner, but we have some damn good players. Pardew should bow out if he doesn't know what to do with them, and is instead pining for his Jason Puncheons, Danny Grahams and Adam Llalanas. No it's not a complaint. I do think we need a proper DoF though. Atm it's just Ashley & Lambias signing the players they can afford that are highly recommended by Carr it seems. I don't think they really consider the needs of the team when we sign players which has led to an unbalanced squad. A DoF woudl bring some continuity even if we change managers as the same type of players would be signed. I'm pretty sure they said, the manager let's them know what areas need strengthening then Carr and his team provide a list of players in that position, which they now discuss with the manager to determine the best options. They could be lying of course. I mean, who knows. The thing is though with the team we currently have, and have had at all points this season, eveen with the injuries, Pardew has consistentyl lined them up horribly. Therefore, even if players are signed randomly, he's still had enough to work with, but he plays wrong formations, or people in wrong positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Any reason Pardew doesn't get loan signings in since he can't incorporate the youngsters into the first-team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 With Pep Guardiola stating his intention to return to coaching, today is the perfect day to sack "Pardiola" ...then we can nab Mark Hughes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Any reason Pardew doesn't get loan signings in since he can't incorporate the youngsters into the first-team? im guessing fatman cant make a profit off them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I doubt much quality is available on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Any reason Pardew doesn't get loan signings in since he can't incorporate the youngsters into the first-team? im guessing fatman cant make a profit off them. Said they (Llambias I think) weren't interested in loans anymore after the Stephen Ireland shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I doubt much quality is available on loan. maybe not now, but in pre-season there definitely is. I'd take Lukaku and Rose in a heartbeat. (Rose if he hadn't just done his hammy, obv). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The board have said in the past they don't see the value of loan signings. I guess they see it in the same terms of whether it is better to rent or buy a property. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The board have said in the past they don't see the value of loan signings. I guess they see it in the same terms of whether it is better to rent or buy a property. Both are better than being homeless, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I doubt much quality is available on loan. Not saying we would attract top quality man, just competition for places and some cover. We are still one or two injuries away from being completely screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The board have said in the past they don't see the value of loan signings. I guess they see it in the same terms of whether it is better to rent or buy a property. Both are better than being homeless, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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