madras Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I'm not on there, dude. thats why your not the winner then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 The real prize was the blonde behind him if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 He should get a ban, of course. It's nothing to get worked up about, and much less than I was expecting - was expecting Di Canio style from what I'd heard, but you rightly can't push officials at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Was the ball actually out? Looked miles over the line at the time. Looked out but it was close. The problem was AVB out of his area, on the touchline so he was in the way as the lino tried to make the call. That's what it looked like any way. He was constantly out of the 'technical area' throughout the match and did appear to impede the linesman's view from the sideline replay. Can't remember him being approached by the 4th official for infringing this very basic rule of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 From the MOTD replay that push was absolutely nothing. I thought he'd gone toe to toe with the linesman the way people were talking. It was nothing at all, if you can't do something like that in a game then I am not sure what the point of it all is any more and I do mean life. All joking aside when did we all become such vaginas that stuff like that is deemed ban worthy? Not saying it was the end of the world or that he should be banned for life for it but managers shouldn't be touching officials like that, sets a bad example. He'll get a touchline ban fo a handful of games and that seems fair enough IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 From the MOTD replay that push was absolutely nothing. I thought he'd gone toe to toe with the linesman the way people were talking. It was nothing at all, if you can't do something like that in a game then I am not sure what the point of it all is any more and I do mean life. All joking aside when did we all become such vaginas that stuff like that is deemed ban worthy? Not saying it was the end of the world or that he should be banned for life for it but managers shouldn't be touching officials like that, sets a bad example. He'll get a touchline ban fo a handful of games and that seems fair enough IMO. Aye, when is a push too hard etc, its a bit like driving after one drink. Just make it zero drinks then we all know where we stand. Do not touch the officials, simple and easy to understand. Then there can be no debate about what is a bit too far or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 From the MOTD replay that push was absolutely nothing. I thought he'd gone toe to toe with the linesman the way people were talking. It was nothing at all, if you can't do something like that in a game then I am not sure what the point of it all is any more and I do mean life. All joking aside when did we all become such vaginas that stuff like that is deemed ban worthy? Not saying it was the end of the world or that he should be banned for life for it but managers shouldn't be touching officials like that, sets a bad example. He'll get a touchline ban fo a handful of games and that seems fair enough IMO. Aye, when is a push too hard etc, its a bit like driving after one drink. Just make it zero drinks then we all know where we stand. Do not touch the officials, simple and easy to understand. Then there can be no debate about what is a bit too far or not. it's fuck all like driving after one drink. you just can't push an official where as you can get away with having a pint and driving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I understand that nobody should be pushing officials and all that, but to be so simplistic about it is a bit silly IMO. Everyone who saw today's incident will know it's just a minor overreaction and to punish him as if it was serious just makes the system look stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 From the MOTD replay that push was absolutely nothing. I thought he'd gone toe to toe with the linesman the way people were talking. It was nothing at all, if you can't do something like that in a game then I am not sure what the point of it all is any more and I do mean life. All joking aside when did we all become such vaginas that stuff like that is deemed ban worthy? Not saying it was the end of the world or that he should be banned for life for it but managers shouldn't be touching officials like that, sets a bad example. He'll get a touchline ban fo a handful of games and that seems fair enough IMO. Aye, when is a push too hard etc, its a bit like driving after one drink. Just make it zero drinks then we all know where we stand. Do not touch the officials, simple and easy to understand. Then there can be no debate about what is a bit too far or not. it's fuck all like driving after one drink. you just can't push an official where as you can get away with having a pint and driving. Well thank you for understanding my point. Just read it more slowly or would you like me to make you a pop up book so you can spend time alone trying ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 I understand that nobody should be pushing officials and all that, but to be so simplistic about it is a bit silly IMO. Everyone who saw today's incident will know it's just a minor overreaction and to punish him as if it was serious just makes the system look stupid. If it was serious he'd probably be banned for life! Seemed very uncharacteristic of Pardew, can't remember the last time I saw a manager shove an official though, it didn't look great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 It didn't look great, but it didn't look very much to worry about either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 So we're agreed then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 It didn't look great, but it didn't look very much to worry about either. But there has to be a line not to cross doesn't there ? A small shove or slightly harder one, none at all means clarity does it not ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Now I think about it, laying your hands on an official - even in the heat of the moment - is pretty bad form. Especially by a manager. Media seemed to have giggled it off, and he's been contrite (albeit in a very jovial way) from the off, so hopefully that will mitigate the impending fine/ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 He was very contrite, also he didn't use the fact the ball had crossed the line to justify his actions. Which was nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 Think it will be a fine since the m(ag)edia haven't hung him out to dry for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 It didn't look great, but it didn't look very much to worry about either. But there has to be a line not to cross doesn't there ? A small shove or slightly harder one, none at all means clarity does it not ?. None at all means clarity, but why is clarity better than intelligent consideration of the situation? I expect he will get banned, and maybe football has to operate under such simple regulations, I don't know. But I think it's a shame if a minor incident settled with an apology between adults can't just be left at that. I don't think it would open the floodgates to wholesale ref pushing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Realist Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/dfTQr.png That lass on the left is thinking, 'SOON'. 2 of them by my count Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 18, 2012 Share Posted August 18, 2012 It didn't look great, but it didn't look very much to worry about either. But there has to be a line not to cross doesn't there ? A small shove or slightly harder one, none at all means clarity does it not ?. None at all means clarity, but why is clarity better than intelligent consideration of the situation? I expect he will get banned, and maybe football has to operate under such simple regulations, I don't know. But I think it's a shame if a minor incident settled with an apology between adults can't just be left at that. I don't think it would open the floodgates to wholesale ref pushing. Well because you know where you stand rather than the authorities trying to judge your intent or use of force. Not arguing its only a minor thing, just take the debate out of it and make it clear cut, no touching at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 It didn't look great, but it didn't look very much to worry about either. But there has to be a line not to cross doesn't there ? A small shove or slightly harder one, none at all means clarity does it not ?. None at all means clarity, but why is clarity better than intelligent consideration of the situation? I expect he will get banned, and maybe football has to operate under such simple regulations, I don't know. But I think it's a shame if a minor incident settled with an apology between adults can't just be left at that. I don't think it would open the floodgates to wholesale ref pushing. Well because you know where you stand rather than the authorities trying to judge your intent or use of force. Not arguing its only a minor thing, just take the debate out of it and make it clear cut, no touching at all. I think you're half right. You're right that he should be fined/banned coz he crossed the line by touching an official. But just like red card ofences, the gravity of the action should be taken into account when deciding the length of the ban. In this case it was clearly an instant, almost automatic reaction in the heat of the moment (he would have pushed anyone in front of him, the linesman just happened to be that person) and which was quickly followed by an apology a few seconds later as opposed to a manager aggressively seeking out an official to push him because he wasn't happy with a decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Bimpy/Aphro have swayed me a little but I still share the same stance with Ian W (as usual). Shouldn't touch an official but there should be a margin for common sense in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Bit daft that like, we'll really miss him on the touch line if he's banned imo, his encouragement is a big part of his coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 so what should the linesman receive for his ineptness? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Love ya Ian (you're the poster who's opinions I agree with most on this forum) but you simply can't defend what he did in any sort of sense. You shove a linesman (manager, player, or otherwise) you get banned - simple as. There is absolutely no room in the game for it. They are meant to be disciplinarians (righlyt or wrongly) and if you usurp their authority and get away with what is essentially bullying them, then the whole game is screwed. He should be happy if it's under three matches and a fine, you simply cannot do that man, it's bang out of order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Wasn't that bad, and I agree that the linesman should also be held responsible for what was a shit decision that nearly cost us a goal, but he definitely deserves maybe a 1 match touchline ban or a fine. the ball wasn't out, as shown on the many replays... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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