Guest JS Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The 2011-12 Ligue 1 table makes interesting reading, MYM's Montpellier side that he captained to the title (in which he played nearly every game) conceded only 11 goals at home all season (3 of them in one game which MYM missed), and had a considerably better defensive record than any of their rivals at the top. However he's been doing at the moment, he's quite clearly a very accomplished defender, with far more pedigree than loads of French centre halves who have come into the Premier League and done well. I just cringe at anyone calling him s****, it's an unenviable trait of the modern football fan that no matter how many times we see someone with an outstanding record in a good league come into the Premier League, look s*** at first before eventually getting used to the game and starring, when the next one comes along, plenty won't hesitate to call them s*** as well. Absolutely this. To captain your side at that age, and concede that amount of goals is immense. He will be class for us in time, absolutely class. I'll try not to taint this by saying he'd probably be better under a better manager/coach etc.. so.. That's for everybody else to make their mind up on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 He's done so much more good than bad for us thus far, it's as simple as that for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I don't even think he's been that bad for us so far TBH, he's been the sacrificial lamb for the general lack of defensive structure in the team. He was given a tough time by Lukaku, no surprise. Aye, he placed his hand on Suarez' shoulder, hardly crime of the century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 He's done so much more good than bad for us thus far, it's as simple as that for me. Be some fucking ridiclous achievement if the opposite was true, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 He looked better alongside Willi than Colo and I think it may be down to Colo being the one who comes out from the back be it to close down or to carry the ball. In France MYM was a monster at coming out from the back with the ball but I think Pardews tactics are costing him his natural game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I love MYM, honestly believe he is a top draw, was having a good game on Saturday till his red which he was still unfortunate about as it was Tiote who played Suarez onside, Tiote got out a second earlier, that doesn't happen and we could have picked up 3 points with people saying how good MYM was. Doesn’t deserve his 3 game ban unlike our other nugget of a centre back when he saw red in the opening game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I love MYM, honestly believe he is a top draw, was having a good game on Saturday till his red which he was still unfortunate about as it was Tiote who played Suarez onside, Tiote got out a second earlier, that doesn't happen and we could have picked up 3 points with people saying how good MYM was. Doesn’t deserve his 3 game ban unlike our other nugget of a centre back when he saw red in the opening game. 1 game ban. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I love MYM, honestly believe he is a top draw, was having a good game on Saturday till his red which he was still unfortunate about as it was Tiote who played Suarez onside, Tiote got out a second earlier, that doesn't happen and we could have picked up 3 points with people saying how good MYM was. Doesn’t deserve his 3 game ban unlike our other nugget of a centre back when he saw red in the opening game. 1 game ban. Is it? Ahhhhh bonus, thought it was the 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes shite and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Man I hate that mentality. 'He's shit' been here half a season. Is young and will improve. I remember people saying roughly the same about De Gea The majority of football fans are thick as fuck like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Man I hate that mentality. 'He's s***' been here half a season. Is young and will improve. I remember people saying roughly the same about De Gea Think it was Souness (or some other shit Sky pundit) who said 'even his shirt drowns him, he doesn't look physical enough for this league' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Man I hate that mentality. 'He's s***' been here half a season. Is young and will improve. I remember people saying roughly the same about De Gea Think it was Souness (or some other shit Sky pundit) who said 'even his shirt drowns him, he doesn't look physical enough for this league' Which Man Utd's goalkeeping coach agreed with. No shocks that he's improved after the strength work he was told to focus on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Man I hate that mentality. 'He's s***' been here half a season. Is young and will improve. I remember people saying roughly the same about De Gea Think it was Souness (or some other s*** Sky pundit) who said 'even his shirt drowns him, he doesn't look physical enough for this league' Which Man Utd's goalkeeping coach agreed with. No shocks that he's improved after the strength work he was told to focus on. His shot stopping was clearly high level, the mistakes were just nervousness. He's hardly the biggest now . He was clearly a class act IMO, pundits/fans writing him off was ridiculous Shot stopping isn't everything. Read the comments made by their coach at the time. He was, rightly, being targeted because he could not dominate his area. A lot of his 'mistakes' came from this extra attention. I can't remember too many writing him off either. Rightly, most people said he needed to improve physically. He's done that now, and looks top class across the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Getting way too much stick off the lads at work saying hes s**** and should get rid. Ridiculous really. Man I hate that mentality. 'He's s***' been here half a season. Is young and will improve. I remember people saying roughly the same about De Gea Think it was Souness (or some other s*** Sky pundit) who said 'even his shirt drowns him, he doesn't look physical enough for this league' Which Man Utd's goalkeeping coach agreed with. No shocks that he's improved after the strength work he was told to focus on. His shot stopping was clearly high level, the mistakes were just nervousness. He's hardly the biggest now . He was clearly a class act IMO, pundits/fans writing him off was ridiculous Aye this, writing him off in this league after a couple of month simply because of his strength. It's not like something like that couldn't be worked on in time, and like you say he's still not the biggest, just more confident. Best keeper in the league imo, think he's excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/sep/28/david-de-gea-manchester-united Yet Steele, an almost paternal figure for De Gea, openly admits the goalkeeper has had considerable issues at Old Trafford. "His first six months were horrendous," he says. "One issue with him was that he was just 71 kilos. We worked with him on and off the field to make him more powerful. We changed his lifestyle. He would finish training and want to go home. When I told him to come back in the afternoon he'd ask: 'Why?' "There were lifestyle issues. He'd sleep two or three times a day. He'd have his main meal late at night. He'd eat too many tacos. We pushed protein drinks on him straight after training. We physically made him drink. We had him in the gym a lot. He hated it. They don't do the gym in Spain as much. We needed to build his core strength." You lads would know better, though, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 To say he's better now because he bulked up is reductionist and untrue. He's hardly ripped now. It was an easy stick to beat him with at the time. He's improved as he's grown used to the league and is less nervous #reductionist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Inochi in this form, i'm out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Core strength is completely different than packing on the muscles. Some of our players are muscular but lack the attributes associated with high core strength. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Core strength is completely different than packing on the muscles. Some of our players are muscular but lack the attributes associated with high core strength. It is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The added strength/weight/core strength would have helped him feel more confident. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 On the contrary, these days there is a clear reluctance to push players towards building upper body muscles because it results in more weight and less pace. There is more emphasis placed on abdominal, back and leg muscles because these are bigger factors in succeeding. So it's baffling when I see players like Williamson having big biceps, which results in him being slower than before. Our conditioning team don't seem to know what they're doing. Same with Ben arfa whose biceps are bigger, Obertan likewise, Cabaye too and Tiote as well. It's old fashioned and out of date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 If footballers are doing any dedicated arm training you would have to say they're wasting their time completely. If they have bigger arms as a result of full-body exercises then fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I mean, Cabaye gets pushed off the ball everytime he's challenged so what's the point of jacking up his upper body. Better to focus on him being lean and quicker so he's able to escape instead of having to compete physically. Same with Tiote, who's too slow to get close to other midfielders. Better him being leaner and quicker so he can cover more space and escape from pressure when he has the ball. Being slow today is a death sentence and yet we have players today who are slower than when they first joined us, just incomprehensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Must remind myself not to engage with people who use hash tags ironically. That, and not getting engaged in poorly thought out debates, based entirely on opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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