Deckard 13 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Let's pray Carr has a big say. It would be absolutely crazy if he didn't. They obviously value his input as the entire financial model of the club is based around Carr's scouting so it would be amazing (but totally predictable) if we signed another "runners and jumpers" type manager because he's on the cheap. If the point is to maximise the value of your assets for resale then you should get someone who will go about getting the most of the players and achieve those values, someone who will work well will foreign players and their particular skill sets. Things like passing, movement, technical ability, those qualities deemed unsuitable for the English game by Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc McClaren has a history of failure in his career and I don't want another manager like that. He has a league title under his belt So did Dalglish in a better league. At Middlesbrough he was hated by the fans Ran out of the England job failing to even qualify for Euro 2008 Failed at Wolfsburg Failed at Forest But aye he'll be fine here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. i'm also sure he's one of the only managers to win the dutch leageu with a club outside of their top 3 or 4. mcclaren is mixed bag, i'll give you that, but to use his boro tenure as an example of how bad he is is just daft imo, he was a roaring success at that club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. It's relative. Two shite clubs had a bit of success. Both shite managers who have failed most of their careers with the odd blip of success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 And yet he was still largely hated, you cannot ignore that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 And yet he was still largely hated, you cannot ignore that. Aye but we know better than Boro fans, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 His career is pretty uneven, but winning the Dutch league with Twente was a huge achievement for McClaren. It's not like they are a powerhouse in the Dutch league, that's their only league win in history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I remember the days of Boro fans hounding McClaren for the s**** football and results. The UEFA Cup run made him look a lot better than he was to outsiders. I don't want any manager who has been hounded out for shocking flaws in this league with average clubs. Bruce chased out of Sunderland, Pulis out of Stoke, Sherwood out of Spurs. We sit here laughing at Palace fans and people are content with managers who have been berated just as Pardew has been on here. Inevitably the same problems show, Pardew at West Ham and here, Bruce at Sunderland and Hull etc mcclaren gave boro the greatest period in their history tbf. McCleish gave Birmingham their greatest period too. Sign him up. he didnt though, did he? he won the cup, granted,but im sure he relegated them too? hardly greatest ever period. mcclaren had boro in europe, twice (i think), he even got them to the final man. It's relative. Two s**** clubs had a bit of success. Both s**** managers who have failed most of their careers with the odd blip of success. i'd call his boro achievements a bit more than 'a bit of success' tbh, what he did there was pretty impressive. he succeeded at boro, twente and so far derby. failed at wolfsburg, forest and england. so, as i say, he's a mixed bag. )a mixed bag i'd take out of the english options). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Do Derby & Twente fans hate him? Don't think the Boro fan hatred is necessarily widespread either. He's a perfectly competent manager and has evidenced it on a number of occasions. Would accept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 And yet he was still largely hated, you cannot ignore that. i wouldnt know tbh, i dont know any boro fans to discuss it with. to be hated for creating the best few years in their history would seem harsh to me however, but im cautios of 'outside looking in', hate when poeple do it to us, so i'll take your (their) word on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Do Derby & Twente fans hate him? Don't think the Boro fan hatred is necessarily widespread either. He's abperfectly competent manager and has evidenced it on a number of occasions. Would accept. derby fans fucking love him. given he won twente their first ever title, i'd imagine he's liked there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I wouldn't want McClaren anywhere near our club like. Admittedly I haven't paid much attention to him since the England job, but Boro were crap under him and only got to the final by some last minute flukes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 also, was sherwood genuinely hounded out of spurs? if so, why? i thought he did ok? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I wouldn't want McClaren anywhere near our club like. Admittedly I haven't paid much attention to him since the England job, but Boro were crap under him and only got to the final by some last minute flukes. you could say that about any amount of cup runs though, thats what cups are about, a bit of luck, if you look at the last 4 english champs league wins, theyve all had strokes of huge luck on the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I wouldn't want McClaren anywhere near our club like. Admittedly I haven't paid much attention to him since the England job, but Boro were crap under him and only got to the final by some last minute flukes. you could say that about any amount of cup runs though, thats what cups are about, a bit of luck, if you look at the last 4 english champs league wins, theyve all had strokes of huge luck on the way. Not really. Not like it was with Boro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 His career is pretty uneven, but winning the Dutch league with Twente was a huge achievement for McClaren. It's not like they are a powerhouse in the Dutch league, that's their only league win in history. his career is 50/50, theres no doubt about it. its a good job followed by a bad one pretty much. sadly, he's due a bad one next......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I think the general concensus amongst Boro fans is that his football, at the very least, was boring as fuck. Something i'm not too willing to put up with after 4 years of Alan Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Can I put the myth to bed that Boro fans hate McLaren. Everyone I speak to has mainly good things to say. He's a good manager but hardly inspiring, a mile from Pardew though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I think alot of Spurs fans saw Sherwood as an embarrassing amateur with no tactical acumen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Do Derby & Twente fans hate him? Don't think the Boro fan hatred is necessarily widespread either. He's abperfectly competent manager and has evidenced it on a number of occasions. Would accept. derby fans fucking love him. given he won twente their first ever title, i'd imagine he's liked there as well. Reading FCTwente.net forum it seems very mixed about him. Some love him some seem to hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Don't Derby play fairly attractive football? It's possible that his style may have altered over the last decade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 To be fair, which managers out there are universally loved by all of their current and former clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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