Hughesy Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 What I don't understand about NUFC is for a supposed 'risk averse' and 'safe' and 'unambitious' club we don't half take some silly chances. - Carver will oversee more than half the season. That was a frightful decision. - Pardew an 8 year contract - to be honest no-one not even Arsene Wenger or Jose Mourinho should be on an 8 year contract. - Kinnear - nuff said - Kinnear again - ditto - Dennis Wise etc etc Now, even after everything, Patrick Vieira - as much potential as he has, is still unproven. In other years, yes take a punt - but this summer there are SO many good managers available. Tuchel they could have got, ditto Garde, Gourvannec, Jemez, Klopp (possibly), Emery, Bielsa even Ketsbaia etc. There are so many people available with fantastic EUROPEAN experience which suits the current model in place - and who have also got a track record of overachieving with modest clubs. There is simply no need to go for PV. It reminds me of the Ruud Gullit appointment - and even he had somewhat of a decent record at Chelsea at least. Ruud Gullit was one of the best players of his generation - but that doesn't make a good manager, which shows in his subsequent record. Keegan worked out simply because of his pure passion he GALVANISED the club. It helped that he had an attachment to the club - he did okay at Fulham and Man City but didn't have the same impact as here, as it was part of him. He was also an overachiever as a player, achieving much more than many expected. ALl that said, he was a one-off. Bobby Robson on the other hand, was the other end of the spectrum - been there and done it all. Huge contacts, and you could see that people would want to come to the club to sign for him, even in-demand players like Hugo Viana who could have gone anywhere. That's the kind of ilk and gravitas we need. Yes although SBR was local - his wide experience and wisdom was what we benefited from most. Those two and their character were what made NUFC attractive and gave us respect. Its the same reason why people love Klopp and would take an interest in whatever club he was at. My fear with Patrick Vieira is that whilst everyone says he was a great player - which he was, Graeme Souness was a great player. Roy Keane was. Stuart Pearce was. Didier Dechamps was. Laurent Blanc was. Great players very rarely make great managers. And even if they do, it is the more studious, unassuming ones like Guardiola (who was always the thinker and heartbeat of his sides - from day one) that make them. Other clubs go for ambitious appointments - Spurs went for Villas-Boas at the peak of his appeal - it didn't work out for them perhaps (I still think they let him go too early) - he has just won the Russian league with Zenit for only the 4th time in their history. Just for once, I'd like to see NUFC make a sensible choice, based on logic. No need to take risks with a 'new' exciting face like PV, nor is there need to go uber safe and boring with McClaren. Why is there no such thing as a middle ground that exists at NUFC? All this appointment requires is some balance. Garde, Bielsa, Gourvannec, Jemez etc would genuinely fit the bill, as they are fresh, new ideas but they also have a strong experience. Why oh why is it so simple for everyone but the buffoons at the top of the board, making the decisions?!! This basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Up and coming blue chip managers would want too much control. The architecture and environment at the club would clash with their forward thinking ways. The club it seems is determined to get someone who isn't going to cause waves as far as I can see. These have been the dominant signals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 When does Lick Whittington get back from his holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 When does Lick Whittington get back from his holiday? :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 When does Lick Whittington get back from his holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 @SkySportsAmy: Sources: West Ham are talking to the following about the vacant manager position: De Boer, Unai Emery, Slaven Bilic & Marcelo Bielsa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Gutted if they get De Boer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not a bad list! But where's McClaren? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 That difference in ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 @SkySportsAmy: Sources: West Ham are talking to the following about the vacant manager position: De Boer, Unai Emery, Slaven Bilic & Marcelo Bielsa I would love any of those. Surely they have to be considerations for our post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 @SkySportsAmy: Sources: West Ham are talking to the following about the vacant manager position: De Boer, Unai Emery, Slaven Bilic & Marcelo Bielsa West Ham have a better list than ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thenorthumbrian Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Viera is gamble, great players don't always make good managers, but it would be more exciting than just another British manager from the usual suspects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Guingamp confirm their manager will be there next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 That West Ham list is depressing to read. Put that with Stoke wanting Konoplyanka and Palace wanting Cabaye, football is going in a horrible direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnMag Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 And whoever is next coach, he is handcuffed with Carver as assistant? Grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 And whoever is next coach, he is handcuffed with Carver as assistant? Grim. Isn't it possible that the new manager could bring a no.2 with him with Carver still being a part of the coaching team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Being a #2 requires both the manager and players to trust you. Can you imagine reverting Carver to assistant (cos he's still on that 8-year deal), after hanging out the players to dry during his incompetent managerial spell? And in the rare chance that we appoint a former top player in Vieira, on how he's going to work with this tool? Great sign of the new direction MA is having us heading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Poll needs to be reset really, sounds like it's Garde, Vieira, McClaren or someone else that hopefully isn't John Carver. BBC reckons they'll be appointed within the next fortnight (). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Poll needs to be reset really, sounds like it's Garde, Vieira, McClaren or someone else that hopefully isn't John Carver. BBC reckons they'll be appointed within the next fortnight (). yep, do it. think you should only be able to pick one though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 A poll on who the fourth candidate is. I'll go Warburton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Laudrup innit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Laudrup innit? That would just confirm the idea that McClaren has the job and the rest of the names are just PR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Laudrup innit? That would just confirm the idea that McClaren has the job and the rest of the names are just PR. Possibly. Remi Garde seems to be having another surge of mentions.......if only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 @Iandennisbbc: It's my understanding Remi Garde is not under consideration for the #NUFC job. #bbcfootball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Normal service resumed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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