Wullie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A lot of fans have gobbled up this stability bullshit; they see the likes of Leeds and Forest and say well at least that isn't us. Aslong as they can see the likes of Rooney and Hazard every year they couldn't give a shit. TBH, I do enjoy the fact that we are no longer thought of as a club that is constantly sacking managers. I don't think this is really such a mental positive to take from the situation. It's a real positive that the club hangs onto staff that are demonstrably not good enough at their job? Not just a "positive" but something you "enjoy"? And some people claim you're not here on the wind up. Well that's not what I said, but don't let that stop you having a pop. In our recent history, we've been thought of as a club that sacks managers often, and prematurely. Yes, there are a lot of negative aspects to how we're run now. And whether or not you want Pardew sacked is a matter of personal preference. But one positive aspect is that we're now seen as trying to take a longer term view. Why is that a positive? Is there a correlation between length of managerial stint and success? I bet there isn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A lot of fans have gobbled up this stability bullshit; they see the likes of Leeds and Forest and say well at least that isn't us. Aslong as they can see the likes of Rooney and Hazard every year they couldn't give a shit. TBH, I do enjoy the fact that we are no longer thought of as a club that is constantly sacking managers. I don't think this is really such a mental positive to take from the situation. It's a real positive that the club hangs onto staff that are demonstrably not good enough at their job? Not just a "positive" but something you "enjoy"? And some people claim you're not here on the wind up. Well that's not what I said, but don't let that stop you having a pop. In our recent history, we've been thought of as a club that sacks managers often, and prematurely. Yes, there are a lot of negative aspects to how we're run now. And whether or not you want Pardew sacked is a matter of personal preference. But one positive aspect is that we're now seen as trying to take a longer term view. Why is that a positive? Is there a correlation between length of managerial stint and success? I bet there isn't. Obviously it's impossible to prove with statistics, you can't say what would have happened if someone had or hadn't been sacked. IMO it's a good thing not to be sacking managers all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A lot of fans have gobbled up this stability bullshit; they see the likes of Leeds and Forest and say well at least that isn't us. Aslong as they can see the likes of Rooney and Hazard every year they couldn't give a shit. TBH, I do enjoy the fact that we are no longer thought of as a club that is constantly sacking managers. I don't think this is really such a mental positive to take from the situation. It's a real positive that the club hangs onto staff that are demonstrably not good enough at their job? Not just a "positive" but something you "enjoy"? And some people claim you're not here on the wind up. Well that's not what I said, but don't let that stop you having a pop. In our recent history, we've been thought of as a club that sacks managers often, and prematurely. Yes, there are a lot of negative aspects to how we're run now. And whether or not you want Pardew sacked is a matter of personal preference. But one positive aspect is that we're now seen as trying to take a longer term view. Why is that a positive? Is there a correlation between length of managerial stint and success? I bet there isn't. Obviously it's impossible to prove with statistics, you can't say what would have happened if someone had or hadn't been sacked. IMO it's a good thing not to be sacking managers all the time. I'd rather have a team with a good manager than a shit one with a long deal but whatever you get pleasure from, Ian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as shit as Pardew is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 A lot of fans have gobbled up this stability bullshit; they see the likes of Leeds and Forest and say well at least that isn't us. Aslong as they can see the likes of Rooney and Hazard every year they couldn't give a shit. TBH, I do enjoy the fact that we are no longer thought of as a club that is constantly sacking managers. I don't think this is really such a mental positive to take from the situation. It's a real positive that the club hangs onto staff that are demonstrably not good enough at their job? Not just a "positive" but something you "enjoy"? And some people claim you're not here on the wind up. Well that's not what I said, but don't let that stop you having a pop. In our recent history, we've been thought of as a club that sacks managers often, and prematurely. Yes, there are a lot of negative aspects to how we're run now. And whether or not you want Pardew sacked is a matter of personal preference. But one positive aspect is that we're now seen as trying to take a longer term view. Why is that a positive? Is there a correlation between length of managerial stint and success? I bet there isn't. Obviously it's impossible to prove with statistics, you can't say what would have happened if someone had or hadn't been sacked. IMO it's a good thing not to be sacking managers all the time. I'd rather have a team with a good manager than a shit one with a long deal but whatever you get pleasure from, Ian. If your argument is that you want to swap a manager for a better manager, then it's kind of impossible to disagree with. But it's sometimes worth talking around the subject a bit, just to make it interesting like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as shit as Pardew is. Keep building those straw men marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keegan actually did pretty damn well before the fall out. Bring Keegan in tomorrow and the upturn would be huge Proof that Keegan wouldn't and didn't work with Ashley can't be used as proof that you think Keegan would work under Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keep building those straw men marra You talk so much brown watery shite its untrue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The league is full of managers having to operate under cost constraints and ply excuses and change the subject in interviews. To go with that PR ability, a lot of such managers also bring a better grasp of setting up a football team than Pardew. When you watch their sides play, you see passing and movement. Players helping each other. Set pieces that work. None of those will cost Mike Ashley any money. We're clearly going nowhere with Pardew. Nearly relegating the eighth most expensive team in the league should have been enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keegan actually did pretty damn well before the fall out. Bring Keegan in tomorrow and the upturn would be huge Proof that Keegan wouldn't and didn't work with Ashley can't be used as proof that you think Keegan would work under Ashley. i meant on the pitch really, as a comparison to Pardew Unfortunately the manager doesn't get to work in a vacuum like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The league is full of managers having to operate under cost constraints and ply excuses and change the subject in interviews. To go with that PR ability, a lot of such managers also bring a better grasp of setting up a football team than Pardew. When you watch their sides play, you see passing and movement. Players helping each other. Set pieces that work. None of those will cost Mike Ashley any money. We're clearly going nowhere with Pardew. Nearly relegating the eighth most expensive team in the league should have been enough. Does it get spelled out any better than this? I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keep building those straw men marra You talk so much brown watery shite its untrue. Not really. I've said nowt particularly contentious there. Obviously the argument you've twisted it into is daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 This cunt sacked yet ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hughesy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keegan actually did pretty damn well before the fall out. Bring Keegan in tomorrow and the upturn would be huge Much as I like Keegan and would like him back ahead of Pardew.. he didn't really do that well. He certainly didn't do 'pretty damn well'. He won 6 games out of 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 In 25 year we'd probably agree that 2 managers have been "good". I don't think either of them would have succeeded under Ashley like. Nah, two of the best man managers, knowledgeable football men and respected individuals in the game would do just as s*** as Pardew is. Keegan actually did pretty damn well before the fall out. Bring Keegan in tomorrow and the upturn would be huge Much as I like Keegan and would like him back ahead of Pardew.. he didn't really do that well. He certainly didn't do 'pretty damn well'. He won 6 games out of 21. Tbf, we were very clearly going in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yep - I would agree with that. As I said - no contest between him and Pardew! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The derby under Keegan, we were wearing slippers and smoking cigars. Easiest afternoon since Shearer's free kick through the wall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The derby under Keegan, we were wearing slippers and smoking cigars. Easiest afternoon since Shearer's free kick through the wall. The 5-1 under CH man...almost brings a tear to my eye - we came out hungry and fucking destroyed them. Hell, even Glen Roeder managed to massacre the fucking Mackems at the SOL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 The derby under Keegan, we were wearing slippers and smoking cigars. Easiest afternoon since Shearer's free kick through the wall. The 5-1 under CH man...almost brings a tear to my eye - we came out hungry and fucking destroyed them. Hell, even Glen Roeder managed to massacre the fucking Mackems at the SOL. Even Graeme Souness beat the Mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Even Jack Fucking Charlton beat the fuckers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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