Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This is one of those 'over reactions' tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This is one of those 'over reactions' tbh. Aye discussing Pardew in the Pardew thread, about what he has just said in his latest press conference that was today. Maybe we shouldn't talk about todays press conference and what Pardew said in it, in this thread called "The Pardew Thread". FFS unbelievable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Just had to checked i was in the Pardew thread then, never know with this place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DebuchyAndTheBeast Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Pardews record as NUFC Manager P 136 W 49 D 38 L 49 Win%: 36 NUFC Managers win % records (10 games or more) from 1992 - present Chris Hughton (59.3%) - massively skewed by the season in the Championship Kevin Keegan 92-97 (54.9%) Sir Bobby Robson (46.6%) Glenn Roeder (45.8%) Graham Souness (44.8%) Kenny Dalglish (38.4%) Alan Pardew (36%) Ruud Gullit (34.6%) Sam Allardyce (33.3%) Kevin Keegan 2008 (28.5%) Joe Kinnear (22.2%) Shows how rubbish Pardew is when you look at the three managers above him TBF you'd also have to add another column showing total money spent to get a broader view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Pardews record as NUFC Manager P 136 W 49 D 38 L 49 Win%: 36 NUFC Managers win % records (10 games or more) from 1992 - present Chris Hughton (59.3%) - massively skewed by the season in the Championship Kevin Keegan 92-97 (54.9%) Sir Bobby Robson (46.6%) Glenn Roeder (45.8%) Graham Souness (44.8%) Kenny Dalglish (38.4%) Alan Pardew (36%) Ruud Gullit (34.6%) Sam Allardyce (33.3%) Kevin Keegan 2008 (28.5%) Joe Kinnear (22.2%) Shows how rubbish Pardew is when you look at the three managers above him TBF you'd also have to add another column showing total money spent to get a broader view. TBF that wouldn't be a fair comparison either as there's been some dire shit bought by some of those managers for extortionate money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Gah, what shit managers we've had It's now been over a decade since we've gotten an appointment right with the possible exception of Hughton, and not a single one of our managers after Keegan have enhanced their reputation and moved on to better things through working with us. Staggering when you think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Other than Keegan, Sir Bobby and to a lesser extent Hughton, we've largely had a rough ride It always pains me to know the last Sir Bobby knew of NUFC was the relegation season. For all the talk about the moral issues surrounding it, I would definitely advocate cloning in his instance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 You have to be fair to Pardew with that manager win %. He hasn't been backed in the way some of those managers were. Mind you just think of who he would buy if it was his decisions, like some of those managers were able to. Obertan and Elliot .....but to be fair Ba was a Pardew pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Never understood the use of win % Points percentage is a much better measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mattoon Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 .... Or you could just watch a few games from each era and witness with your own eyes?! To many variables to consider any data indubitable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I mean, what's the point of the data anyway. Most of the people on that list were just not good enough and a few % here and there doesn't really make any appreciable difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Win percentage is more important as you don't get anywhere with drawing all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Win percentage is more important as you don't get anywhere with drawing all the time. There's no reward for games won. The league is based on points. You get further drawing 4 than winning 1 and losing 3 but ranging managers on wins says the later is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Win percentage is more important as you don't get anywhere with drawing all the time. There's no reward for games won. The league is based on points. You get further drawing 4 than winning 1 and losing 3 but ranging managers on wins says the later is better. You get further by by 50% by winning 2 and losing 2. It's the bloody reason the 3 points for a win was introduced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Cup games should also not be counted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A rather novel idea is to judge managers by the football their team produces and the results that come with it, with ones own eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Win percentage is more important as you don't get anywhere with drawing all the time. There's no reward for games won. The league is based on points. You get further drawing 4 than winning 1 and losing 3 but ranging managers on wins says the later is better. You get further by by 50% by winning 2 and losing 2. It's the bloody reason the 3 points for a win was introduced. And that would be accounted for in a points ranking. It's better in all circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A rather novel idea is to judge managers by the football their team produces and the results that come with it, with ones own eyes. Difficult to compare utter shite with rank tedium. We can come out with all the adjectives in the world to say just how bad a manager was. Actual points won offers some distinction that words don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A rather novel idea is to judge managers by the football their team produces and the results that come with it, with ones own eyes. Difficult to compare utter shite with rank tedium. We can come out with all the adjectives in the world to say just how bad a manager was. Actual points won offers some distinction that words don't. They can also offer skewed results that need to be taken with a pinch of salt rather than looking at them alone, see Glenn Roeder's record. Do you have the points won stats btw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A rather novel idea is to judge managers by the football their team produces and the results that come with it, with ones own eyes. Difficult to compare utter shite with rank tedium. We can come out with all the adjectives in the world to say just how bad a manager was. Actual points won offers some distinction that words don't. They can also offer skewed results that need to be taken with a pinch of salt rather than looking at them alone, see Glenn Roeder's record. Do you have the points won stats btw? The more games played the less skewed you can claim results were. You can only be so spakey so long. I do have the points won stats... But people lose their shit whenever I mention a number. On my phone but I'll post it later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 One of the worst games i've ever seen us play was the 0-1 win at Fulham under Fathead. Cacapa won MOTM. It was a horrible game, utterly bereft of any football and one of the most boring matches i've ever seen. If ever a stat could be skewed it's by games like that. And some of Pardew's games have given me the same feeling (this season has been better at times mind). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 A rather novel idea is to judge managers by the football their team produces and the results that come with it, with ones own eyes. Difficult to compare utter shite with rank tedium. We can come out with all the adjectives in the world to say just how bad a manager was. Actual points won offers some distinction that words don't. They can also offer skewed results that need to be taken with a pinch of salt rather than looking at them alone, see Glenn Roeder's record. Do you have the points won stats btw? The more games played the less skewed you can claim results were. You can only be so spakey so long. I do have the points won stats... But people lose their shot whenever I mention a number. On my phone but I'll post it later. You really dont need to....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2478842/Newcastle-United-havent-scored-corner-years-78-matches.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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