Dave Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 I have no doubt that Ashley's main business is his sports empire but I think it's a bit much to think that he doesn't give a shit where we finish. He's undoubtedly ground the enthusiasm out of the fans and it fucking shows like. I never said he doesn't give a shit, and naturally he'll want his shitty brand given as much coverage as possible. More prize money helps, too. I just don't think one wank season where we might still finish 'mid-table' would bother him enough to bin the manager already. As long as we stay up, that's all that matters at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Considering we're not going to replace Pardew, I really hope he learns some lessons from this season. That's the minimum requirement for me, I don't want to see us continuing this negative football into next year. It doesn't work. The club need to back him properly in the summer too; no key sales and investment is required. Players that suit the manager for a change. Can you reconcile one with the other? As an example, buying Andy Carroll would suit the manager. We can't afford...or at least won't be willing to pay the required money to get him. I don't disagree, I think he'll go to West Ham. Don't think I'm arsed either. Was just answering the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Players who suit winning games would be a start. The ones we have don't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Considering we're not going to replace Pardew, I really hope he learns some lessons from this season. That's the minimum requirement for me, I don't want to see us continuing this negative football into next year. It doesn't work. The club need to back him properly in the summer too; no key sales and investment is required. Players that suit the manager for a change. Can you reconcile one with the other? As an example, buying Andy Carroll would suit the manager. We can't afford...or at least won't be willing to pay the required money to get him. I don't disagree, I think he'll go to West Ham. Don't think I'm arsed either. Was just answering the question. Then why would we keep Pardew if we can't get the players he'd want? Much easier to get a manager who suits the players we already have and I think Ashley will see it the same way. We keep getting told there's going to be an inquest at the end of the season. I assume that's more than just Pardew being questioned but if the overall gist is that Pardew can't work with the players he will have to go. Certainly the transfer policy won't change since the balance sheets look so pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Considering we're not going to replace Pardew, I really hope he learns some lessons from this season. That's the minimum requirement for me, I don't want to see us continuing this negative football into next year. It doesn't work. The club need to back him properly in the summer too; no key sales and investment is required. Players that suit the manager for a change. Can you reconcile one with the other? As an example, buying Andy Carroll would suit the manager. We can't afford...or at least won't be willing to pay the required money to get him. I don't disagree, I think he'll go to West Ham. Don't think I'm arsed either. Was just answering the question. Then why would we keep Pardew if we can't get the players he'd want? Much easier to get a manager who suits the players we already have and I think Ashley will see it the same way. We keep getting told there's going to be an inquest at the end of the season. I assume that's more than just Pardew being questioned but if the overall gist is that Pardew can't work with the players he will have to go. Certainly the transfer policy won't change since the balance sheets look so pretty. As I said, Carroll was just an example. I'm sure there are other, cheaper target man strikers out there that we could go for instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Considering we're not going to replace Pardew, I really hope he learns some lessons from this season. That's the minimum requirement for me, I don't want to see us continuing this negative football into next year. It doesn't work. The club need to back him properly in the summer too; no key sales and investment is required. Players that suit the manager for a change. Can you reconcile one with the other? As an example, buying Andy Carroll would suit the manager. We can't afford...or at least won't be willing to pay the required money to get him. I don't disagree, I think he'll go to West Ham. Don't think I'm arsed either. Was just answering the question. Then why would we keep Pardew if we can't get the players he'd want? Much easier to get a manager who suits the players we already have and I think Ashley will see it the same way. We keep getting told there's going to be an inquest at the end of the season. I assume that's more than just Pardew being questioned but if the overall gist is that Pardew can't work with the players he will have to go. Certainly the transfer policy won't change since the balance sheets look so pretty. As I said, Carroll was just an example. I'm sure there are other, cheaper target man strikers out there that we could go for instead. We won't pay up for British (and that includes Championship) or established Premier League players. In fact Llambias said we will return to the usual markets not too long ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Considering we're not going to replace Pardew, I really hope he learns some lessons from this season. That's the minimum requirement for me, I don't want to see us continuing this negative football into next year. It doesn't work. The club need to back him properly in the summer too; no key sales and investment is required. Players that suit the manager for a change. Can you reconcile one with the other? As an example, buying Andy Carroll would suit the manager. We can't afford...or at least won't be willing to pay the required money to get him. I don't disagree, I think he'll go to West Ham. Don't think I'm arsed either. Was just answering the question. Then why would we keep Pardew if we can't get the players he'd want? Much easier to get a manager who suits the players we already have and I think Ashley will see it the same way. We keep getting told there's going to be an inquest at the end of the season. I assume that's more than just Pardew being questioned but if the overall gist is that Pardew can't work with the players he will have to go. Certainly the transfer policy won't change since the balance sheets look so pretty. As I said, Carroll was just an example. I'm sure there are other, cheaper target man strikers out there that we could go for instead. The problem ain't in the striking department, Pardew works better with physical players. We have bought mainly technical players like Anita, its cheaper and far easier to solve the problem by employing a ball playing manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Is that type of player found exclusively in the English leagues like? Anyway, as I said earlier I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed. Going by the poll, about half of the forum agrees with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Exactly half, at the moment. Creepy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Is that type of player found exclusively in the English leagues like? Anyway, as I said earlier I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed. Going by the poll, about half of the forum agrees with me. Maybe I have more faith in the board than I should but I don't see how any of them could watch this season and think 'well if we change nothing then every thing will magically work out next season.' They may have done that last season but that was when things looked rosy and judging by the January transfer spree (which people said wouldn't happen as well) you'd hope they've learned their lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 It would be quite a change in tune from last fall for Ashley to give Pardew the boot now. Ashley hasn't been particularly consistent, though, so who knows. But in light of the quotes about sticking by Pardew through bad times because he's the right man for the job, I'd be somewhat surprised (pleasantly) if Ashley didn't give him a shot for at least the start of next season. I'd gladly take my gut being totally wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Anyway, as I said earlier I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed. Going by the poll, about half of the forum agrees with me. Ultimately, I think we are all going to be disappointed one way or another Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 tbh I cant see pardew getting binned either, llambias said he,s allowed one bad season. I also cant see llambias or ashley giving a shit about the style of football we play not to mention the positive press ashley would probably receive for sticking with him if their was a fan reaction . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 He better fucking go, God I detest his attitude to the game. Can't take any more of this negative dross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 tbh I cant see pardew getting binned either, llambias said he,s allowed one bad season. Let's meet back here in twelve months Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 8, 2013 Share Posted May 8, 2013 Exactly half, at the moment. Creepy. I ruined it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Speaks volumes. 95% want him gone, 50% think he'll go. The pessimism is draining, (not that I'm not). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The main reason i think he will go is because he's clearly lost the dressing room and you don't come back from that and there's too much talk surrounding Pardew and the players coming out of the club for everything to be all rosy as far as backing from board level goes. Reading in between the lines of quotes from local journo's as well it sounds like to me Llambias still backs Pardew but Ashley is losing faith. I wouldn't be that surprised if he stays but i don't think he will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The main reason i think he will go is because he's clearly lost the dressing room and you don't come back from that and there's too much talk surrounding Pardew and the players coming out of the club for everything to be all rosy as far as backing from board level goes. Reading in between the lines of quotes from local journo's as well it sounds like to me Llambias still backs Pardew but Ashley is losing faith. I wouldn't be that surprised if he stays but i don't think he will. if Derek still backs him then he's staying. Ashley trust Derek, misplaced trust at that but he does, same reason how Pardew was brought in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 If he's lost the dressing room and faith from the players, it'd be absolutely ludicrous to keep him around? I don't give a fuck if Derek and his mother fancy him, there are only two solutions to this issue: either he goes, or we keep him and get a whole new first 11. Hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The main reason i think he will go is because he's clearly lost the dressing room and you don't come back from that and there's too much talk surrounding Pardew and the players coming out of the club for everything to be all rosy as far as backing from board level goes. Reading in between the lines of quotes from local journo's as well it sounds like to me Llambias still backs Pardew but Ashley is losing faith. I wouldn't be that surprised if he stays but i don't think he will. Same. If it comes down to certain players wanting to leave because of Pardew's tactics then Ashley will do something about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 Same. If it comes down to certain players wanting to leave because of Pardew's tactics then Ashley will do something about it. aye , sell those players for a profit and blame them for a shit season (worst case scenario like) I hope he fucks off, maybe everyone can do a uri gellar type chant at the tv next time he,s on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I will be honest, I would be very surprised and impressed if they let him go. I think he has until mid November. The board don't want to look hypercritical after what they have already said about rough patches. Never stopped them in the past though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 The main reason i think he will go is because he's clearly lost the dressing room and you don't come back from that and there's too much talk surrounding Pardew and the players coming out of the club for everything to be all rosy as far as backing from board level goes. Reading in between the lines of quotes from local journo's as well it sounds like to me Llambias still backs Pardew but Ashley is losing faith. I wouldn't be that surprised if he stays but i don't think he will. Eh ?? Have I missed something ? I can think of several reasons why Pardew's position may be in jeopardy, but it may well be support from the dressing room, not lack of it, that keeps him in his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 9, 2013 Share Posted May 9, 2013 I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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