Mick Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 You're making me blush. What's he done? Has he mentioned your never ending support for Souness when he was here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Who compiles these awful tables? I mean how ridiculous Me, on that occasion To be fair I just thought that as stats were being used to back up certain arguments that we might as well have the most relevant ones possible. I meant as in some gadgie sitting in front of every game and marking off each chance, or each corner etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Has anything happened in the last 12 pages? Anything worth reading? It's been even worse than when I get involved, stay clear. Cheers, lads It's even worse than when I get involved. Think about that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Southampton (but, Pochettino!), West Brom, Villa, Wigan (but, Martinez!), Fulham (but, Jol!), West Ham, QPR, Reading, Stoke and Sunderland, didn't. Pochettino hasn't been there long enough to compare and Fulham apart from Berbatov and Ruiz have a dire set of players. Rest i don't care about as they are mid table and relegation dross. You're cracking out the anguish because Norwich have created one more chance than us, man. Don't get reasonable, now. Who, out of those above us, would you be expecting us to create more than? I'll give you Swansea (but, Laudrup!) as a starter. Fair point, do think that we don't create anywhere near enough chances and this is proof of that. Also is their rules for when and where we crack out the anguish now? It is? No rules for it, as far as I'm aware, no. Dave hasn't approved my suggestions yet. What more proof do you need? we don't create chances (clear cut or otherwise) and Marveaux is our top assister with 4! Its personally my biggest worry this season, the lack of creation from open play. With that said i wish you luck with your campaigning against the anguish brigade 45 entirely not created clear cut chances? Only bettered by Norwich, Swansea and the current top seven? We haven't created enough, I'll give you that. That much is obvious from watching us play. However, the people like their stats, and the stats have spoken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. Well summarised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I actually don't like stats tbh but in this case they tell some of the story but not the whole story as i think you are alluding too.... I actually when into depth with this stat and looked at individual players and found that Shola is 3rd with 4 so i wonder how they calculate it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. Well summarised. I'm sure no one would ever use negative statistics to criticise the manager, would they? Especially not 'long ball' statistics. It's funny how stats only become useful when they paint an overly negative picture. I don't fancy Pardew, either. Just going for a bit of balance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. You definitely need to post more Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised s*** all season long aside from a few select games. I find it incredible that stats are being used to prove something when people’s eyes are telling them something else. We’ve been garbage for most of this season and that wouldn’t change if somebody found a stat to say that we were the best, we weren't, we've been shite no matter how it gets dressed up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Oh dear, OPTA bollocks is being analysed. A new low. That's generally what you do with stats, you know, analyze them My eyes have shown me enough to tell me that our attacking play is poor, but numbers do prove that we create at least as many chances as most other teams. It's just that creating chances doesn't fully correlate with good attacking play. Stats are fine as long as you accept that there are limitations on their analytical value. You don't need to be pigeonholed into thinking they're either omnipotent or completely worthless. Certainly don't agree with some sports fans treating them like they're the devil. Nah, stats - particularly arbitrary bollocks like chances created - are indeed completely worthless. One's own eyes will suffice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Oh dear, OPTA bollocks is being analysed. A new low. That's generally what you do with stats, you know, analyze them My eyes have shown me enough to tell me that our attacking play is poor, but numbers do prove that we create at least as many chances as most other teams. It's just that creating chances doesn't fully correlate with good attacking play. Stats are fine as long as you accept that there are limitations on their analytical value. You don't need to be pigeonholed into thinking they're either omnipotent or completely worthless. Certainly don't agree with some sports fans treating them like they're the devil. Nah, stats - particularly arbitrary bollocks like chances created - are indeed completely worthless. One's own eyes will suffice. You still support Pardew, don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised s*** all season long aside from a few select games. its taken how many pages for someone to say this ! :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Would be nice to have a sticky that complies the key stats updated on a weekly basis.... They don't tell a compelling story, but it does show the dramatic difference between the top 4 to the challenging group. If there were a stat to underpin "Stop And Start" Games , i reckon we would be probably in the top 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. You definitely need to post more Andy. As long as we're not including the Games Forum in that. Obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Oh dear, OPTA bollocks is being analysed. A new low. That's generally what you do with stats, you know, analyze them My eyes have shown me enough to tell me that our attacking play is poor, but numbers do prove that we create at least as many chances as most other teams. It's just that creating chances doesn't fully correlate with good attacking play. Stats are fine as long as you accept that there are limitations on their analytical value. You don't need to be pigeonholed into thinking they're either omnipotent or completely worthless. Certainly don't agree with some sports fans treating them like they're the devil. Nah, stats - particularly arbitrary bollocks like chances created - are indeed completely worthless. One's own eyes will suffice. You still support Pardew, don't you? If he's here at the beginning of next season, he'll get a clean slate and I'll support him, yes. If the board decide to replace him with a 'superior' manager in the summer, I won't shed a tear. It's not life or death for me. The real issue in the summer is getting some strength in depth as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 HF will attempt to engage in intelligent debate with the stupidest of people for a lot longer than most humans would allow*. Spudil, you should enjoy the patience he's affording you and see if you can learn something, rather than resorting to abuse. *He was the very last person to run out of patience with Leazes ffs. Any thoughts on Pardew? Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet. Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo. Cheers. I think that will also be the opinion of those in charge. Personally I think things will get better, but almost by default rather than because he's particularly good. Things can't possibly be this bad next season if he's backed properly. I'd like to see us bring in players that he can use, rather than ones that simply look like a good deal financially. Carr is lauded for the deals he finds but if we're not going to employ a manager capable of getting the best out of these players, why bother? Btw I think there's a false notion going around that if you don't rate the manager, you must be a fan of the owner. I don't think that's true at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 You're making me blush. What's he done? Has he mentioned your never ending support for Souness when he was here? Slowly we become the thing we hate the most. Hello Leazes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised s*** all season long aside from a few select games. I find it incredible that stats are being used to prove something when people’s eyes are telling them something else. We’ve been garbage for most of this season and that wouldn’t change if somebody found a stat to say that we were the best, we weren't, we've been shite no matter how it gets dressed up. Exactly, but some people could find a sugar strand in a shit and argue that the whole thing tasted nice if it suited them. When it comes to a complex game like football, statistics are generally pretty meaningless; the long-standing "but we won the passing" joke shows that. As you say, you can see with your own eyes if a team's playing well. My eyes tell me that we don't play with any kind of organised attacking system, that our transitional play is awful, that we don't get enough players into the box or even into the opposition's half most of the time, that we struggle to keep the ball along the ground, that we often have massive gaps between the defence/midfield/attack, and so on and so forth... These are things that statistics don't really cover, but that are plain to see just by watching us play over the course of a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I could agree with the calls for a longer chance and consistently a lot better if we hadn't got consistently worse as a footballing side while improving the quality of our squad. It is practically football murder every week. He sucks the life out of our skillful players rather than helping them meet and exceed their potential. He is clearly ruining the investment the club has made and he is alienating supporters that find the club at the same time. I like the bloke but he has had his chance it's been two years and he hasn't got the team to gel as an attacking unit, combine with the above he shows absolutely no signs he will do anything to improve the situation. I don't agree with sacking managers if they deserve a chance Pardew has simply had his and made things worse.With the amount of quality managers out there this summer it would be an absolute disaster if we didn't upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised shit all season long aside from a few select games. You definitely need to post more Andy. As long as we're not including the Games Forum in that. Obviously. I'm eagerly waiting for FIFA 14 and Red Dead 2 to be released so I can make my return... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Slowly we become the thing we hate the most. Hello Leazes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Can't keep up with this thread, but defending our performances this season using statistics is mental. The key statistics are the ones sprawled across the league table which show categorically that we've been complete and utter guff, and even they don't tell the full story. We've produced nothing more than negative, disorganised s*** all season long aside from a few select games. I find it incredible that stats are being used to prove something when people’s eyes are telling them something else. We’ve been garbage for most of this season and that wouldn’t change if somebody found a stat to say that we were the best, we weren't, we've been shite no matter how it gets dressed up. Exactly, but some people could find a sugar strand in a shit and argue that the whole thing tasted nice if it suited them. When it comes to a complex game like football, statistics are generally pretty meaningless; the long-standing "but we won the passing" joke shows that. As you say, you can see with your own eyes if a team's playing well. My eyes tell me that we don't play with any kind of organised attacking system, that our transitional play is awful, that we don't get enough players into the box or even into the opposition's half most of the time, that we struggle to keep the ball along the ground, that we often have massive gaps between the defence/midfield/attack, and so on and so forth... These are things that statistics don't really cover, but that are plain to see just by watching us play over the course of a season. Indeed, I posted all of that a few pages back but Happy Face ignored it and posted some stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Unless we're in really serious danger of going down then the managerial change should be made out of season. I've always believed that. Pardew has survived by the skin of his teeth this time around. So if they're going with him for next year then we need to back him as best we can. If he's as bad as many fear then he'll be out by Christmas anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Our choices of replacement go down dramatically during the season as well. Much easier to get a higher quality manager in during the off season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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