Lotus Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I thought we'd win and we did. We've had great difficulty playing more than 45 mins of cohesive football in a game for a while. Pardew's clearly aware of it and acknowledged his half time team talk didn't help. Hopefully, he'll do his bit against WBA and then i hope the players do their bit. So he should be aware of it, seeing as it happens time and time again. You're right, it does. If it's as simple as Pardew saying something different at half time then it should be easy to remedy. If it's the players losing their bottle or drifting off the gameplan then it's a lot more difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 As much as I think Tiote is massively limited, he finds himself in those positions enough to indicate that he should practice his shooting every day, rather than choose not to shoot. Obviously if he already does that and this is the result then he should just stop. He's already an established professional footballer like, seems to suggest he's never going to be any good at shooting. Not really. Beckham practiced free kicks every day. Shearer practiced penalties every day. If you're going to get into that position nigh on 5 times a game, you should at least practice and practice until you're capable of producing a save at least. If the very best professionals do it, then obviously those that aren't the best should too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 As much as I think Tiote is massively limited, he finds himself in those positions enough to indicate that he should practice his shooting every day, rather than choose not to shoot. Obviously if he already does that and this is the result then he should just stop. Cabaye chipped a corner to him on the edge of the box, so he must be practicing some degree of shooting if he's the end product of a set play. Was a nice idea we've just got the wrong person doing the volleying Massive pet hate at matches fans screaming for him to shoot when in space from 25/30 yards out. All on the back of one fucking goal That was with his left foot as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were fucking diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the fuck you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were fucking diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the fuck you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your fucking hand off for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i was away to delete that post through sheer at the thought of the responses it's going to get from the usual but you've quoted it now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were f***ing diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the f*** you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football You make that sound like it's not acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were fucking diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the fuck you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your fucking hand off for that. i didn't mean results-wise tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 5th season all over again with prettier football That would break my heart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were f***ing diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the f*** you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your f***ing hand off for that. But then we'd have to play in that silly Europa League thing again. The club wouldn't like that. I'm not even being facetious either, they genuinely wouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were fucking diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the fuck you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your fucking hand off for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 jesus fucking knew it was a mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Pardew has told us on countless occasions that Europe isn't something he can deal with so hopefully he'll get fifth again and resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were f***ing diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the f*** you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your f***ing hand off for that. But then we'd have to play in that silly Europa League thing again. The club wouldn't like that. I'm not even being facetious either, they genuinely wouldn't. oh I know- Ive said a couple of times., if we are close to europe watch out for some bizzare selections, odd injuries and strange capitulations that turn into a bad run of results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 No chance they'd make the 'mistake' of giving us a decent cup run if we did qualify as well. Not that we'll be anywhere near qualifying for it like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 jesus f***ing knew it was a mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 As much as I think Tiote is massively limited, he finds himself in those positions enough to indicate that he should practice his shooting every day, rather than choose not to shoot. Obviously if he already does that and this is the result then he should just stop. He's already an established professional footballer like, seems to suggest he's never going to be any good at shooting. Not really. Beckham practiced free kicks every day. Shearer practiced penalties every day. If you're going to get into that position nigh on 5 times a game, you should at least practice and practice until you're capable of producing a save at least. If the very best professionals do it, then obviously those that aren't the best should too. Aye, both from the age of about 13 though. I get what you're saying, he should be better at it and if training helps then excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 If we qualified for Europe then maybe Ashley would have learned and rather than take millions out of the club he'll spend it on players. Pigs might fly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 i can't understand what 'other lot' are trying to say about the first half vs. chelsea and second half vs. spurs like they seem to be under the impression that we gave some type of italian style defensive masterclass when the reality is chelsea were very wasteful on the break for a team of their class and spurs missed X amount of clear cut chances that would have changed the entire shape of the match, and some of them were f***ing diabolical misses and all + great saves obviously call it luck, good fortune or whatever the f*** you want but we all know both games might easily have gone very differently due to the tactics of pardew, as it is we won so he looks like a genius to some - 5th season all over again with prettier football Luck or whatever- I would take your f***ing hand off for that. But then we'd have to play in that silly Europa League thing again. The club wouldn't like that. I'm not even being facetious either, they genuinely wouldn't. Means they'd have to spend an 10x more on increased wages than potential prize money. If we did get in Pardew would be told to sack it off imho. Not sure he would though, probably got told the same last time off the accountant twats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 let me clarify for those of you incapable of understanding (or deliberately being arseholes), in the comparison to the 5th season i was referring to the fact we got a lot of results in games where we were the second best team for major parts and nicked a goal through having a top quality striker, we rarely dominated teams home or away, we deliberately sat back on leads and rode our luck on many occasions, we had trouble breaking down teams who came to SJP and parked the bus we're a better attacking force now, play nicer football, but many of the same failings are there i'm afraid like everyone else, i'd be ecstatic if we finished 5th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I literally don't think it's possible to finish 5th unless you're doing a lot of things right. We didn't dominate a lot of teams, but if you dominate a lot of teams and do everything else we did you finish higher than 5th anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 now we're actually capable of dominating teams and the manager won't let them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I literally don't think it's possible to finish 5th unless you're doing a lot of things right. We didn't dominate a lot of teams, but if you dominate a lot of teams and do everything else we did you finish higher than 5th anyway. ian, we know this, which is why at the time people were saying that basing a gameplan on 9 players rigidly defending and firing long balls to ba to fight for was not sustainable...turns out it was not sustainable, who'd have thunk it? the point is you develop right? we've done that to a degree, we can play good football and hurt teams, yet pardew deliberately stops us from doing this when we go in front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I literally don't think it's possible to finish 5th unless you're doing a lot of things right. We didn't dominate a lot of teams, but if you dominate a lot of teams and do everything else we did you finish higher than 5th anyway. ian, we know this, which is why at the time people were saying that basing a gameplan on 9 players rigidly defending and firing long balls to ba to fight for was not sustainable...turns out it was not sustainable, who'd have thunk it? the point is you develop right? we've done that to a degree, we can play good football and hurt teams, yet pardew deliberately stops us from doing this when we go in front I don't really believe this, but we'll have to agree to disagree I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Pardew has told us on countless occasions that Europe isn't something he can deal with so hopefully he'll get fifth again and resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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