Still Not Worthy Of A Thread

[Fenham Mag]

Rob Lee doing the cup draw at the weekend

 

http://www.sportsworldcards.com/ekmps/shops/sportsworld/images/newcastle-united-robert-lee-375-merlin-premier-league-98-football-sticker-58071-p.jpg

 

Gonna need a Herculean effort.

It'll be like bobbing for apples.

 

Unbelievable

[Cajun]

And we thought Oba looked older than he claimed to be. This lad must have had a serious paper round if he's only 17 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2558313/Lazio-threaten-legal-action-claims-teenage-star-actually-40s.html

 

http://www.giornalettismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/joseph-marie-minala-quanti-anni-ha.jpg

 

 

Tbf, if you can keep up with a load of 17 year-olds, you deserve to be there. How quick was he 20 year ago?

 

He's probably just Scottish.

[Tiresias]

There is a clip of Ravel Morrison, from an England Under-21s training session, when a corner comes in from the right and no matter how many times you watch it, even in slow motion, it is still almost implausible how he creates that lovely sound of ball against net.

 

It is as if heading the ball, or going for the volley, is just too straightforward and too bland for a player with his gifts. He twists his body, his back leg flicks around and he is mid-air, facing away from goal, when it connects. It is the kind of finish that would ordinarily be found only on a computer game but Morrison saunters away as if it was the most normal thing in the world.

 

Morrison had already had one round of applause on those blowy pitches in Staffordshire, after chipping the goalkeeper with the delicacy of a champion golfer pitching in and before anyone raises the obvious, nobody can say he is just a training-ground player. His goal at Tottenham earlier this season, waltzing past a couple of challenges and advancing from the halfway line, was a demonstration of high skill and balance that suggested we were seeing the flowering of the potential that once had Sir Alex Ferguson acclaiming Morrison as the most talented youngster he had seen since the schoolboy Paul Scholes.

 

The two he scored in his first full match for England's Under-21s were not too shabby either and it does not feel too long ago since a group of us journalists were breaking bread with Roy Hodgson in the Soho Hotel, reflecting on the senior team qualifying for the World Cup after the previous night's win against Poland, and the conversation turned to which players could force their way into his squad. Morrison was one of the first names the England manager mentioned and there was nothing at the time that felt incongruous about it.

 

Hodgson met us for lunch again a few days ago but this time nobody brought up Morrison. A player who was bewitching Premier League audiences before Christmas will join QPR this week, dropping down into the Championship in a three-month loan arrangement that pretty much takes a sledgehammer to any chance of him being on the plane to Brazil. After that, it is unclear what happens, other than to say it is amazing how quickly everything has unravelled for him at West Ham. As it stands, it is difficult to imagine him playing for the club again.

 

It is an unusual, complex story and, inevitably, football being the business it is, there will be some who automatically assume he must have done something wrong. In football, it has always been easier to get a bad name than to lose one and Morrison's previous means there is an instinct, sometimes, to apportion blame his way. It would be a lazy assumption. Morrison has done some stupid things but it has been a few years now since he knotted a tie for court. He is still paying the price for those juvenile misdemeanours and he has had to get used to seeing his name prefaced in print with words such as "wayward" and "bad boy". Yet everyone at West Ham can confirm he has knuckled down and shown a level of dedication and professionalism that was not always there. Morrison does not drink or go to nightclubs. His diet is right. He has a steady girlfriend and better influences outside the club than people realise. Of course, he still needs guidance, but at 21 he is not the same impulsive kid of 17. Now, three months after Sam Allardyce talked of Morrison reaching the very top of his profession, he is being cut free. It is no wonder West Ham fans are feeling confused.

 

The first thing to say is that it all feels like a tremendous waste, and there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the chain of events that has brought him to this point.

 

Towards the end of last year, Morrison was invited to a meeting with the football agent Mark Curtis to see if he wanted to become one of his clients. Curtis does this a fair bit with Allardyce's players. At West Ham, he either represents or has links with Allardyce, Kevin Nolan, James Tomkins, Jack Collison, Matt Jarvis, Andy Carroll, Jussi Jaaskelainen and Adrian. Look through his history and there is a fairly astounding pattern of players signing up to him from Allardyce teams. He also has a chequered past of his own, with an official warning from the Football Association after the 2008 investigation into Luton Town's illegal transfer dealings.

 

Morrison was not keen but, since then, his complaint is that he has felt under considerable pressure from Allardyce and Nolan to change his mind, claiming it is brought up on an almost daily basis. His grievance is that he wanted to go into training to learn and improve, not to have endless conversations about an agent he did not want to employ.

 

West Ham have put this to the relevant people and they strenuously deny it. Curtis says it is "nonsense", and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing. But Morrison has become disillusioned with his manager and captain. Allardyce has talked of Morrison complaining about a groin injury when the medical staff could find no problem. Relationships have broken down. A few months ago, Morrison appeared to have the keys to the football universe. Now he cannot wait to get out of the club.

 

The issue has been discussed as high as it goes at Upton Park. Morrison was advised by one senior figure to put in a transfer request but decided against it. Fulham put in a £4m bid and West Ham reported them to the Premier League for alleged tapping up because of René Meulensteen saying he knew Morrison wanted to join them. The dispute may have put off Fulham from making an improved offer – West Ham wanted £10m – but no one should be too surprised if the complaint ultimately comes to nothing. The relevant people at Craven Cottage believe they have hard evidence, in line with this newspaper's information, that Morrison had been informed he should look for another club. If that is proven, West Ham's complaint will look hollow, to say the least. It will also leave their co-owners, David Sullivan and David Gold, with some awkward questions to answer.

 

The really perplexing thing is that a club with West Ham's ambitions should, surely, want to build their future around players of this refinement. It is not going to be straightforward filling 54,000 seats when they move to the Olympic Stadium in 2016. Morrison, playing as he was before Christmas, would have helped the process enormously. Instead, if the paperwork goes through, Morrison will not be at Upton Park when Allardyce's team play Southampton next weekend. He will be a few miles across London, making his QPR debut at Charlton Athletic, with a permanent deal possible in the summer.

 

His story is a reminder of how quickly everything can change in football. Except Morrison's belief is that little of this is actually about football. His emergence at West Ham was probably the most exciting since the early years of Joe Cole and Michael Carrick. He was the club's leading scorer and outstanding player. It seems strange, to say the least, for West Ham to shuffle that player out of the back door, especially when they are a club who normally pride themselves on looking after their own.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste

 

Fat Sam in dodgy as fuck shocker

 

 

[Dave]

We should be in for him if what they say is true about his attitude these days.

[Wallace]

There is a clip of Ravel Morrison, from an England Under-21s training session, when a corner comes in from the right and no matter how many times you watch it, even in slow motion, it is still almost implausible how he creates that lovely sound of ball against net.

 

It is as if heading the ball, or going for the volley, is just too straightforward and too bland for a player with his gifts. He twists his body, his back leg flicks around and he is mid-air, facing away from goal, when it connects. It is the kind of finish that would ordinarily be found only on a computer game but Morrison saunters away as if it was the most normal thing in the world.

 

Morrison had already had one round of applause on those blowy pitches in Staffordshire, after chipping the goalkeeper with the delicacy of a champion golfer pitching in and before anyone raises the obvious, nobody can say he is just a training-ground player. His goal at Tottenham earlier this season, waltzing past a couple of challenges and advancing from the halfway line, was a demonstration of high skill and balance that suggested we were seeing the flowering of the potential that once had Sir Alex Ferguson acclaiming Morrison as the most talented youngster he had seen since the schoolboy Paul Scholes.

 

The two he scored in his first full match for England's Under-21s were not too shabby either and it does not feel too long ago since a group of us journalists were breaking bread with Roy Hodgson in the Soho Hotel, reflecting on the senior team qualifying for the World Cup after the previous night's win against Poland, and the conversation turned to which players could force their way into his squad. Morrison was one of the first names the England manager mentioned and there was nothing at the time that felt incongruous about it.

 

Hodgson met us for lunch again a few days ago but this time nobody brought up Morrison. A player who was bewitching Premier League audiences before Christmas will join QPR this week, dropping down into the Championship in a three-month loan arrangement that pretty much takes a sledgehammer to any chance of him being on the plane to Brazil. After that, it is unclear what happens, other than to say it is amazing how quickly everything has unravelled for him at West Ham. As it stands, it is difficult to imagine him playing for the club again.

 

It is an unusual, complex story and, inevitably, football being the business it is, there will be some who automatically assume he must have done something wrong. In football, it has always been easier to get a bad name than to lose one and Morrison's previous means there is an instinct, sometimes, to apportion blame his way. It would be a lazy assumption. Morrison has done some stupid things but it has been a few years now since he knotted a tie for court. He is still paying the price for those juvenile misdemeanours and he has had to get used to seeing his name prefaced in print with words such as "wayward" and "bad boy". Yet everyone at West Ham can confirm he has knuckled down and shown a level of dedication and professionalism that was not always there. Morrison does not drink or go to nightclubs. His diet is right. He has a steady girlfriend and better influences outside the club than people realise. Of course, he still needs guidance, but at 21 he is not the same impulsive kid of 17. Now, three months after Sam Allardyce talked of Morrison reaching the very top of his profession, he is being cut free. It is no wonder West Ham fans are feeling confused.

 

The first thing to say is that it all feels like a tremendous waste, and there is something deeply unsatisfactory about the chain of events that has brought him to this point.

 

Towards the end of last year, Morrison was invited to a meeting with the football agent Mark Curtis to see if he wanted to become one of his clients. Curtis does this a fair bit with Allardyce's players. At West Ham, he either represents or has links with Allardyce, Kevin Nolan, James Tomkins, Jack Collison, Matt Jarvis, Andy Carroll, Jussi Jaaskelainen and Adrian. Look through his history and there is a fairly astounding pattern of players signing up to him from Allardyce teams. He also has a chequered past of his own, with an official warning from the Football Association after the 2008 investigation into Luton Town's illegal transfer dealings.

 

Morrison was not keen but, since then, his complaint is that he has felt under considerable pressure from Allardyce and Nolan to change his mind, claiming it is brought up on an almost daily basis. His grievance is that he wanted to go into training to learn and improve, not to have endless conversations about an agent he did not want to employ.

 

West Ham have put this to the relevant people and they strenuously deny it. Curtis says it is "nonsense", and there is no suggestion of any wrongdoing. But Morrison has become disillusioned with his manager and captain. Allardyce has talked of Morrison complaining about a groin injury when the medical staff could find no problem. Relationships have broken down. A few months ago, Morrison appeared to have the keys to the football universe. Now he cannot wait to get out of the club.

 

The issue has been discussed as high as it goes at Upton Park. Morrison was advised by one senior figure to put in a transfer request but decided against it. Fulham put in a £4m bid and West Ham reported them to the Premier League for alleged tapping up because of René Meulensteen saying he knew Morrison wanted to join them. The dispute may have put off Fulham from making an improved offer – West Ham wanted £10m – but no one should be too surprised if the complaint ultimately comes to nothing. The relevant people at Craven Cottage believe they have hard evidence, in line with this newspaper's information, that Morrison had been informed he should look for another club. If that is proven, West Ham's complaint will look hollow, to say the least. It will also leave their co-owners, David Sullivan and David Gold, with some awkward questions to answer.

 

The really perplexing thing is that a club with West Ham's ambitions should, surely, want to build their future around players of this refinement. It is not going to be straightforward filling 54,000 seats when they move to the Olympic Stadium in 2016. Morrison, playing as he was before Christmas, would have helped the process enormously. Instead, if the paperwork goes through, Morrison will not be at Upton Park when Allardyce's team play Southampton next weekend. He will be a few miles across London, making his QPR debut at Charlton Athletic, with a permanent deal possible in the summer.

 

His story is a reminder of how quickly everything can change in football. Except Morrison's belief is that little of this is actually about football. His emergence at West Ham was probably the most exciting since the early years of Joe Cole and Michael Carrick. He was the club's leading scorer and outstanding player. It seems strange, to say the least, for West Ham to shuffle that player out of the back door, especially when they are a club who normally pride themselves on looking after their own.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/feb/15/ravel-morrison-west-ham-united-waste

 

Fat Sam in dodgy as f*** shocker

 

 

 

Nolan got Carroll and Forster signed up to Curtis at Newcastle.

 

It does sound rather dodgy.

 

[jdckelly]

beyond belief he's gone on loan to QPR, was fantastic before christmas and they should be building their entire side around him-if they didn't have a stone age manager who'd rather build around a crock to hoof at.

[Ally]

Tbf we would have probably done something like that, would have cost him an extra £150 mind.

 

It would have been specifically arranged by Wonga, the community sponsor

[Flip]

What major benefit would there be for Lazio to play a 41 year old in their youth team? Win that highly prestigious reserve league?

 

For them none. For him loads, although don't they scan players brains nowadays so they get an approximate of their age?

 

I think you meant bones.

 

Pretty sure it's brain MRI's. Might be completely wrong though so weird that I'm feeling this sure about it. Will have to google that shit.

[Flip]

Google is my friend:

 

http://www.livescience.com/22436-age-revealed-by-brain-scans.html

 

 

[LRD]

Google is my friend:

 

http://www.livescience.com/22436-age-revealed-by-brain-scans.html

 

 

 

Ah, interesting. It's relatively new and would be some time before it's ready to be the new clinical standard though. FIFA had applied bone scans for youth tournaments since 2009.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_fraud_in_association_football

[Flip]

Google is my friend:

 

http://www.livescience.com/22436-age-revealed-by-brain-scans.html

 

 

 

Ah, interesting. It's relatively new and would be some time before it's ready to be the new clinical standard though. FIFA had applied bone scans for youth tournaments since 2009.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_fraud_in_association_football

 

 

I thought FIFA were using brain scan, but like I said I was wrong there. Had a feeling Baba had mentioned Nigerian youth teams using brain scans.

[bowlingcrofty]

Olivier Giroud's tweets seem to indicate he's been a naughty boy.

[Fenham Mag]

Ah well, it happens.

[Guest Craig-NUFC]

Olivier Giroud's tweets seem to indicate he's been a naughty boy.

 

Sun running a story that he's been knobbing this lass

http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Celia-Kay.jpg

 

[Fenham Mag]

[Nobody]

Excellent use of the smug dog

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/football-cliches/2013/oct/31/talking-language-sunday-league-football

 

Scarily accurate!

[Yorkie]

Love shit like that.

[Newcastle Fan]

The Joseph Minala story reminds me of the Partizan Chairman when he came out and said Taribo West was 40 when he was 28

[Turnbull2000]

F*cking SportsDircectNews at it again..

Arsenal have joined seven clubs in the race to sign Newcastle United, [football] direct news understands.

 

Premier League side Arsenal have joined a whole host of clubs across Europe in the race to sign Newcastle United ace Loic Remy.

[Cajun]

Trying to sell players that aren't even ours, the bastards!

[Turnbull2000]

Another article just appeared...for a player we actually own...

 

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/newcastle-united-fc-transfer-news/40744-rubin-kazan-make-deadline-move-for-cisse.php

 

Russian Side Rubin Kazan will make a deadline day move for Newcastle United striker Papiss Cisse,

 

Although this is supposedly based on another source.

[Ameritoon]

Pretty sure it was The Chronicle or Journal that reported the Arsenal thing first too. SDN is just recycling.

[Cajun]

Sounds dodgy as fuck that and if all true I'll lose a lot of respect for Nolan. Had him down as one of those who put an arm round a young player rather than trying to pester them into doing something they don't really want to.

[TaylorJ_01]

That was literally Nolan's only redeeming feature - 'seemed an OK chap'.