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Its tragic times for both NUFC and Villa whose mismanagement and abject failures typify what is so wrong with the modern game than most clubs' troubles or times. Both clubs are historically big clubs and important clubs in the history of English football yet here the two are existing to exist with zero ambition and a fanbase that is basically dumbed down to the point where they literally accept any old crap. If this happened to Liverpool or Man Utd there would be hell on, but at our respective clubs its a case of 'oh well'...

 

I think, since the PL has come along, and then the Champions League and the financial divisions that causes, the premier league is divided into different types of clubs.

 

There are those who can compete for the title realistically, or to get to, and stay in, the Champions League.

There are those who traditionally are considered to be doing well to even be in the top flight (West Ham, Stoke, Albion, Swansea etc)

There are those who have recently been promoted, for whom it is all a big adventure (Leicester, Burnley, Palace)

 

Then there are those who are pretty much always in the top flight, who have - in the past competed for league titles - but now find themselves in a situation where it is impossible to even think of doing that any more - Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Spurs (no matter how they'd like to think otherwise)

 

It is the fans of clubs like those four for whom the Premier League is the biggest killer.

 

Just staying up is right at the bottom of expectations, haven't just been promoted so it isn't all a big adventure any more, can't hope to compete (unless they get insanely rich owners who fancy a go at it) - basically, stuck in a "it will never be like it used to be" rut, and in some cases run by people with sinking ambition.

 

Not cool.

the sad thing even this can't happen anymore not with FFP rules and you can bet UEFA would come down like a ton of bricks on any "upstart" club trying to pull it off now and premier league has those rules too so the guys already at the top would probably demand points deductions on any side who tried that trick to kick them out of their cozy little club. Of coarse the media would think we should all just be happy bathing in the reflected glory of the true elite

 

All FFP did was pull up the ladder.

 

Limits on how much, in percentage terms, you can increase your wage bill by year on year favour clubs who already have massive wage bills, for example.

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Its tragic times for both NUFC and Villa whose mismanagement and abject failures typify what is so wrong with the modern game than most clubs' troubles or times. Both clubs are historically big clubs and important clubs in the history of English football yet here the two are existing to exist with zero ambition and a fanbase that is basically dumbed down to the point where they literally accept any old crap. If this happened to Liverpool or Man Utd there would be hell on, but at our respective clubs its a case of 'oh well'...

 

I think, since the PL has come along, and then the Champions League and the financial divisions that causes, the premier league is divided into different types of clubs.

 

There are those who can compete for the title realistically, or to get to, and stay in, the Champions League.

There are those who traditionally are considered to be doing well to even be in the top flight (West Ham, Stoke, Albion, Swansea etc)

There are those who have recently been promoted, for whom it is all a big adventure (Leicester, Burnley, Palace)

 

Then there are those who are pretty much always in the top flight, who have - in the past competed for league titles - but now find themselves in a situation where it is impossible to even think of doing that any more - Villa, Newcastle, Everton, Spurs (no matter how they'd like to think otherwise)

 

It is the fans of clubs like those four for whom the Premier League is the biggest killer.

 

Just staying up is right at the bottom of expectations, haven't just been promoted so it isn't all a big adventure any more, can't hope to compete (unless they get insanely rich owners who fancy a go at it) - basically, stuck in a "it will never be like it used to be" rut, and in some cases run by people with sinking ambition.

 

Not cool.

the sad thing even this can't happen anymore not with FFP rules and you can bet UEFA would come down like a ton of bricks on any "upstart" club trying to pull it off now and premier league has those rules too so the guys already at the top would probably demand points deductions on any side who tried that trick to kick them out of their cozy little club. Of coarse the media would think we should all just be happy bathing in the reflected glory of the true elite

 

All FFP did was pull up the ladder.

 

Limits on how much, in percentage terms, you can increase your wage bill by year on year favour clubs who already have massive wage bills, for example.

Exactly, it drives me insane that people don't see this and see ffp as a good thing.

 

 

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Would be a good way to introduce a salary cap tbh.  Make it so you can only spend on wages a maximum 5% above the current highest spender.  The current highest is capped at their present level until someone overtakes them.  Eventually with wage inflation etc everyone will be paying about the same.

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http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/brazilian-legend-ronaldo-plans-to-come-out-of-retirement

 

 

He has not played professionally since 2011, but the original Ronaldo could come out of retirement and take to the field again. Isn’t that the best news you’ve heard all day!? Well, it is for us.

 

The former Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Barcelona forward has hinted that he could make a return to football with North American Soccer League side Fort Lauderdale Strikers. Ronaldo is a part-owner of the NASL side and speaking to Sports Illustrated, he said:

 

“I will try to play some games. This year I want to train a lot. The last three years I didn’t because I was too busy in other stuff. Maybe if we get to the final and I’m feeling good, why not? I will put my name in the NASL as an option.”

 

 

 

But why did he get involved with the club?

 

“I can’t be a manager, because I think it’s too tough managing 30 players thinking in different ways. I think being an owner is a good way to teach our players now the way I won.

 

“It’s a new challenge for me. I’ve been working a lot in different things. Last year I was involved in the World Cup as a member of the organising board, and I was also commentating matches during the World Cup for TV Globo. And now it’s a great opportunity to manage as an owner of a great team.”

 

Can we expect to see him do this again any time soon?

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http://www.thesportbible.com/articles/brazilian-legend-ronaldo-plans-to-come-out-of-retirement

 

 

He has not played professionally since 2011, but the original Ronaldo could come out of retirement and take to the field again. Isn’t that the best news you’ve heard all day!? Well, it is for us.

 

The former Real Madrid, Inter Milan and Barcelona forward has hinted that he could make a return to football with North American Soccer League side Fort Lauderdale Strikers. Ronaldo is a part-owner of the NASL side and speaking to Sports Illustrated, he said:

 

“I will try to play some games. This year I want to train a lot. The last three years I didn’t because I was too busy in other stuff. Maybe if we get to the final and I’m feeling good, why not? I will put my name in the NASL as an option.”

 

 

 

But why did he get involved with the club?

 

“I can’t be a manager, because I think it’s too tough managing 30 players thinking in different ways. I think being an owner is a good way to teach our players now the way I won.

 

“It’s a new challenge for me. I’ve been working a lot in different things. Last year I was involved in the World Cup as a member of the organising board, and I was also commentating matches during the World Cup for TV Globo. And now it’s a great opportunity to manage as an owner of a great team.”

 

Can we expect to see him do this again any time soon?

 

He's enormous!

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The idea of Ronaldo owning your team, man. Wouldn't suprise me if he sold more shirts than the actual players. Is it a PR stunt or is he really involved in club matters?

 

 

Ronaldo is all about marketing. He's going to become the new Pele in terms of spouting shit constantly and making money through marketing.

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The idea of Ronaldo owning your team, man. Wouldn't suprise me if he sold more shirts than the actual players. Is it a PR stunt or is he really involved in club matters?

 

 

Ronaldo is all about marketing. He's going to become the new Pele in terms of spouting s*** constantly and making money through marketing.

 

Sad to hear that. I genuinely like the guy, would be a pity if he ended up becoming a farce like Pelé.

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The Football Association is determined that this month will be the last transfer window in which clubs will be able to use a discredited appeals process to sign the non-European Union players who, the governing body fears, block the progress of young English footballers into Premier League squads.

 

The proposal was part of Greg Dyke’s FA Commission report last year into the diminishing numbers of English footballers in the top flight and the FA chairman hopes to change the rules ahead of the summer transfer window so that clubs will no longer be able to go to appeal in order to gain Home Office work permits for players who do not meet the criteria.

 

Currently, the work permit requirement for players without an EU passport is that they have to be an international from a country ranked within Fifa’s top 70 and have played 75 per cent of their country’s international matches in the last two years. However, the biggest concern for Dyke has been the ease with which those who have failed to meet those criteria have been waved through in an appeals process run by the FA on behalf of the Home Office.

 

The latest player to sign via appeal has been the Croatia international Andrej Kramaric, whom Leicester City have now agreed a £9.5m deal to sign from HNK Rijeka in Croatia’s domestic league, after he was approved for a work permit at a Home Office hearing on Monday. The striker has been capped just four times by his country but the panel heard evidence from the Croatia national team coach, Niko Kovac, that he intends to use the player in the future and was satisfied he would be a worthy addition to the Premier League.

 

While Croatia is a new member of the EU its citizens are still subject to restrictions on working and a work permit is necessary for the country’s footballers to play in the Premier League. Chelsea had tried to sign Kramaric but the player was not interested in being loaned to Vitesse Arnhem, their partner club.

 

Dyke has described the current appeal system as “a bit of a farce”. He bemoaned the awarding of Home Office work permits to players whom the panel approved “because the manager shows up at appeal with a video saying, ‘He will be a good player’.”

 

Under the wording of FA regulations on permit hearings, the panel has to consider if “the player is of the highest calibre” and “able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England”. In reality, the six-strong panels, made up of representatives from the FA and Professional Footballers’ Association, as well as former managers and players, wave through applications. The success rate at appeal is 79 per cent.

 

Under tougher new rules proposed by Dyke, the subjective panel hearings would be scrapped. The criteria would be changed with the threshold of international appearances brought down to 30 per cent, to allow for players from top nations like Brazil where the competition to play international football is that much greater. The player in question would have to play for a country ranked in the top 50 by Fifa. There would be an exemption for any player who cost more than £10m.

 

The £10m minimum would be brought in to stop the flow of the more mediocre players priced around £2m and £3m, who are regarded as chiefly responsible for blocking the progress of academy players into the first-team squad. It is hoped the changes would encourage clubs to focus their investment on fewer non-EU players of higher quality.

 

In the summer transfer window, West Bromwich Albion broke their transfer record to sign the Nigerian international Brown Ideye from Dynamo Kiev for £10m. His work permit was gained on appeal even though the player failed to make Nigeria’s World Cup squad. He has since scored just one Premier League goal. The problem for Dyke is that under his proposals the £10m fee would have been enough to earn the player a work permit.

 

 

Dyke's key proposals

 

* Subjective panel hearings will be scrapped

* International appearance threshold cut to 30 per cent

* Player would have to play for a country in Fifa’s top 50

* Exemptions for players costing over £10m

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...t-9976354.html

 

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sportingintelligence ‏@sportingintel 18m18 minutes ago

Reports that David Ginola about to announce candidacy to challenge Sepp Blatter as FIFA president. Because he's worth it? Or PR stunt?

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The Football Association is determined that this month will be the last transfer window in which clubs will be able to use a discredited appeals process to sign the non-European Union players who, the governing body fears, block the progress of young English footballers into Premier League squads.

 

The proposal was part of Greg Dyke’s FA Commission report last year into the diminishing numbers of English footballers in the top flight and the FA chairman hopes to change the rules ahead of the summer transfer window so that clubs will no longer be able to go to appeal in order to gain Home Office work permits for players who do not meet the criteria.

 

Currently, the work permit requirement for players without an EU passport is that they have to be an international from a country ranked within Fifa’s top 70 and have played 75 per cent of their country’s international matches in the last two years. However, the biggest concern for Dyke has been the ease with which those who have failed to meet those criteria have been waved through in an appeals process run by the FA on behalf of the Home Office.

 

The latest player to sign via appeal has been the Croatia international Andrej Kramaric, whom Leicester City have now agreed a £9.5m deal to sign from HNK Rijeka in Croatia’s domestic league, after he was approved for a work permit at a Home Office hearing on Monday. The striker has been capped just four times by his country but the panel heard evidence from the Croatia national team coach, Niko Kovac, that he intends to use the player in the future and was satisfied he would be a worthy addition to the Premier League.

 

While Croatia is a new member of the EU its citizens are still subject to restrictions on working and a work permit is necessary for the country’s footballers to play in the Premier League. Chelsea had tried to sign Kramaric but the player was not interested in being loaned to Vitesse Arnhem, their partner club.

 

Dyke has described the current appeal system as “a bit of a farce”. He bemoaned the awarding of Home Office work permits to players whom the panel approved “because the manager shows up at appeal with a video saying, ‘He will be a good player’.”

 

Under the wording of FA regulations on permit hearings, the panel has to consider if “the player is of the highest calibre” and “able to contribute significantly to the development of the game at the top level in England”. In reality, the six-strong panels, made up of representatives from the FA and Professional Footballers’ Association, as well as former managers and players, wave through applications. The success rate at appeal is 79 per cent.

 

Under tougher new rules proposed by Dyke, the subjective panel hearings would be scrapped. The criteria would be changed with the threshold of international appearances brought down to 30 per cent, to allow for players from top nations like Brazil where the competition to play international football is that much greater. The player in question would have to play for a country ranked in the top 50 by Fifa. There would be an exemption for any player who cost more than £10m.

 

The £10m minimum would be brought in to stop the flow of the more mediocre players priced around £2m and £3m, who are regarded as chiefly responsible for blocking the progress of academy players into the first-team squad. It is hoped the changes would encourage clubs to focus their investment on fewer non-EU players of higher quality.

 

In the summer transfer window, West Bromwich Albion broke their transfer record to sign the Nigerian international Brown Ideye from Dynamo Kiev for £10m. His work permit was gained on appeal even though the player failed to make Nigeria’s World Cup squad. He has since scored just one Premier League goal. The problem for Dyke is that under his proposals the £10m fee would have been enough to earn the player a work permit.

 

 

Dyke's key proposals

 

* Subjective panel hearings will be scrapped

* International appearance threshold cut to 30 per cent

* Player would have to play for a country in Fifa’s top 50

* Exemptions for players costing over £10m

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...t-9976354.html

 

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On the Ideye Brown point, he was a mainstay in the team until the World Cup process, when he was out of form, and had been playing at the top level for years. Why would he be denied a work permit? I don't understand the work permit system at all, tbh, at least in regards to football. Why are players with an EU passport more highly regarded than ones that don't have one? What does a player's work at national team level and the ranking of his have to do with his worthiness to play in your country? Under the set of rules Dyke proposed, someone like Wanyama wouldn't qualify for a work permit, unless someone paid ten million for him, so the big clubs can have another advantage. If their problem is the progress of British players being blocked, then they should focus on providing incentives for clubs to sign players with British passports under a certain age, not creating a bizarre system to arbitrarily limit the movement of foreign players. They are looking at the problem backwards

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:sweetjesus:

 

:lol: Aye, he played for both your teams, didn't he? I remember when he first came back with Villa and we gave him Degs Abuse and he was hauled off before half time in a right strop. He still loves us tho.

 

Vila is not one of my teams man :lol: It was a joke that I was supporting Villa to beat us to get Pardew out.

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