TaylorJ_01 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I've heard he has some serious issues. No other reason he would go from playing for Spain to 4th division in 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I've heard he has some serious issues. No other reason he would go from playing for Spain to 4th division in a few seasons. Must be, otherwise it's been an inexplicable fall from grace the last few seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I mean, he was being touted around for near £30m not too long ago. It's one of the steeper descents I can remember. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Walking down the players tunnel before the Belgrade Derby; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Walking down the players tunnel before the Belgrade Derby; Couldn't figure out what the hell Michu was doing in Belgrade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Walking down the players tunnel before the Belgrade Derby; Christ No wonder Mitro is fucked up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fucking hell, it's like Children of Men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fucking hell, it's like Children of Men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Where are the SD signs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 are we on TV vs Everton- Is there a pre match thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 are we on TV vs Everton- Is there a pre match thread? Yes - 5.30pm on BT & no, not yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fucking hell, it's like Children of Men. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Now that you have Mitro, it's a golden chance to get yourselves some Serb fans and seat them near the Directors box at SJP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 And then what happens, Gavrilo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 http://gfycat.com/BoldPoliteGoldfish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Harsh red imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The f*** happened there? Broken leg, two surgeries, hasn't played in a year IIRC. This is actually a short term contract to test his fitness. If his leg stands in one piece, he'd easily find a better club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The more football I watch (and I watch a lot) the more I think the importance we give to managers/coaches is a myth. It's all about players!</p>— Gary Lineker (@GaryLineker) <a href="https://twitter.com/GaryLineker/status/678574446219776000">December 20, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Thoughts? I'm not so sure it's players moreso a club and its structure and the environment that fosters. I don't think there's a manager that would come to NUFC that could get us consistently top 8 under Ashley for example. Toxic club. I think any decent PL manager woud do well at a Palace for example. Watford chop and change managers all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Palace? Palace? Who the fuck are Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 What he's said is kind of like saying "a war isn't the generals, it's the soldiers!" I mean, yeah, for certain things it absolutely comes down to the individuals and he's correct. But to diminish or toss out altogether the importance of higher level strategic thinking vs tactical is rubbish. And I'd agree the philosophy/environment of the club matters too, but that could be fluid as well, with owners changing etc. Really it's just impossible to pin down how much each contribution matters and it wouldn't be a hard rule anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Agree with Lineker to a certain extent there, especially in the Premier League because it's not as tactical as other leagues. It was proven in that numbers game book that in terms of results there is generally little difference when you change manager. Once a manager picks the best team available to him I believe there is little more he can do in most scenarios Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astroblack Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Of course its the players who have to perform on the pitch but the manager's job is huge. He has to make sure they're fit, prepared and most importantly, confident! Do you think Leicester would be top if Ranieri wasn't there, Gary? Look at the fall of Man Utd since SAF left. look at us when SBR left. Completely different teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 The manager, certainly in the traditional sense, is in a position to be the most influential person at the club and in the majority of cases they are imo. You don't have to be Kevin Keegan to contribute in an enormous way. Even those who have less of an imposition on the day-to-day structure of the club are contributing by simply letting the players 'do the talking'. Hughton with us is a good example. He let the players committee happen; it was a positive thing which he was indirectly accountable for. Who the manager is invariably correlates to the success of a club. Don't agree with Lineker at all really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 That being said, obviously whoever the owner is generally usurps both players and manager these days, in terms of being the most influential person at the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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