sbnufc Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 https://streamable.com/yecc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yorkie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Urgh, fuck off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'm not so sure. I think it's time we adopted the Spanish model of B teams competing against first teams in the lower leagues and this is obviously a step in that direction. Allows the bigger clubs a bit of an advantage, unfortunately, but it's certainly the best thing for the international setup and probably the domestic aspect of our game in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I'm not so sure. I think it's time we adopted the Spanish model of B teams competing against first teams in the lower leagues and this is obviously a step in that direction. Allows the bigger clubs a bit of an advantage, unfortunately, but it's certainly the best thing for the international setup and probably the domestic aspect of our game in the long run. How? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Horrendous post. It's absolutely awful in just about every conceivable way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Horrendous post. It's absolutely awful in just about every conceivable way. Agreed. Complete horseshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 If it allows the big clubs an advantage then hat means they are a step up above the other clubs. If that's so then how does it help develope the u21's? Just let the smaller clubs have their competitions and leagues to themselves and come out with a proper plan of how to develope the academies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Of course the posters disparaging the idea are the same ones who hate to see the national side do well anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can understand the argument that it's a strategy that could help improve the national team, but how would it benefit the domestic league? It would serve only to benefit the top sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can understand the argument that it's a strategy that could help improve the national team, but how would it benefit the domestic league? It would serve only to benefit the top sides. Let's be honest though, the majority of the country only really care about the top league now anyway. It's sad but the reality is not all different to the other top European leagues tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Of course the posters disparaging the idea are the same ones who hate to see the national side do well anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can understand the argument that it's a strategy that could help improve the national team, but how would it benefit the domestic league? It would serve only to benefit the top sides. Let's be honest though, the majority of the country only really care about the top league now anyway. It's sad but the reality is not all different to the other top European leagues tbh. Frightening how wrong this is like. Staggeringly so. What does "the majority of the country" even mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Allowing them to play in one cup competition is pointless anyway, the gains would be incremental at best with maybe two or three more games a season. Not to mention it's shit anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can understand the argument that it's a strategy that could help improve the national team, but how would it benefit the domestic league? It would serve only to benefit the top sides. Let's be honest though, the majority of the country only really care about the top league now anyway. It's sad but the reality is not all different to the other top European leagues tbh. Is that even remotely true? Most have at least an interest in the Premier League, sure, but everyone has their own team, many of whoms is in the Football League/lower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The idea that its the B-teams that are behind the success of the Spanish national side and not the vastly greater number of coaches and superior youth development is beyond ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Barcelona loan out their decent youngsters because the B team doesn't cut it. Germany and Holland introduced it to the disaster of their lower league system for no observable or measurable gain whatsoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 The idea that its the B-teams that are behind the success of the Spanish national side and not the vastly greater number of coaches and superior youth development is beyond ridiculous. It's a contributing factor to Spain's success, and it obviously includes youth development. Young players learn far too little from reserve/U-21 fixtures. They need to be playing against men sooner, learning to play at that pace and intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 I can understand the argument that it's a strategy that could help improve the national team, but how would it benefit the domestic league? It would serve only to benefit the top sides. Let's be honest though, the majority of the country only really care about the top league now anyway. It's sad but the reality is not all different to the other top European leagues tbh. Is that even remotely true? Most have at least an interest in the Premier League, sure, but everyone has their own team, many of whoms is in the Football League/lower. Half the Premier League is made up of historically small clubs like Bournemouth, Leicester, Palace, Stoke, Norwich, Swansea and Watford now anyway. Recently graced by Hull, Reading and Wigan ffs. Even moreso next year when Villa, us and/or the mackems have gone. Many of English football's real powerhouse clubs with gigantic followings are outside the top flight and have been for some time. "The majority of the country" - aye I bet hundreds of thousands of Leeds United fans are fascinated by events at Bournemouth. Sounds like someone who has absolutely no interest in the lower leagues and just assumes everyone else is the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Barcelona loan out their decent youngsters because the B team doesn't cut it. Germany and Holland introduced it to the disaster of their lower league system for no observable or measurable gain whatsoever. Spain introduced the B teams in the early 70s and were the laughing stock of European football until 2008, so it should make us a dead cert for the 2060 World Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 But the B team matches aren't proper matches. The strength of the line-ups changes wildly from a week-to-week basis meaning there is no team continuity, they play in front of empty stadiums, and then because they aren't real teams with real ambitions they can't get promoted or have nothing tangible/long term to play for. It's a simulator that fails to replicate the real thing (hence why the big Spanish clubs have their players out on loan anyway), while in the process destroying the credibility and competition of the lower divisions. Imagine one team playing against 'reserve' B team one week, then the next week a different team plays the same B team that's full of U18s because the main team has called them up for a League Cup or Europa League game. This happens all the time in the European examples and it renders the idea of a fair competition a farce. Basically you're destroying the lower league system, giving more opportunity for top clubs to hoard players and for no real guarentee that it will have any effect on improving the national side. If you want to know why Germany and Spain are dominating international football and producing massive amounts of high quality players you need to look at the amount of proper qualified coaches they have and what they're doing with them at an early age. The idea that you can just drop a load of B teams into our deep football pyramid and solve the issues is absolutely typical of the sort of lazy, lacklustre quick fixes that the FA love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 But the B team matches aren't proper matches. The strength of the line-ups changes wildly from a week-to-week basis meaning there is no team continuity, they play in front of empty stadiums, and then because they aren't real teams with real ambitions they can't get promoted or have nothing tangible/long term to play for. It's a simulator that fails to replicate the real thing (hence why the big Spanish clubs have their players out on loan anyway), while in the process destroying the credibility and competition of the lower divisions. Imagine one team playing against 'reserve' B team one week, then the next week a different team plays the same B team that's full of U18s because the main team has called them up for a League Cup or Europa League game. This happens all the time in the European examples and it renders the idea of a fair competition a farce. Basically you're destroying the lower league system, giving more opportunity for top clubs to hoard players and for no real guarentee that it will have any effect on improving the national side. If you want to know why Germany and Spain are dominating international football and producing massive amounts of high quality players you need to look at the amount of proper qualified coaches they have and what they're doing with them at an early age. The idea that you can just drop a load of B teams into our deep football pyramid and solve the issues is absolutely typical of the sort of lazy, lacklustre quick fixes that the FA love. When I'm betting on the lower leagues around Europe, you can always be very confident that the B teams everywhere will chuck away every game for the last two months of the season. There's no incentive at that point - they're not going to be called up for the crunch games at the end of the season and they're not playing for any competitive reward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 But the B team matches aren't proper matches. The strength of the line-ups changes wildly from a week-to-week basis meaning there is no team continuity, they play in front of empty stadiums, and then because they aren't real teams with real ambitions they can't get promoted or have nothing tangible/long term to play for. It's a simulator that fails to replicate the real thing (hence why the big Spanish clubs have their players out on loan anyway), while in the process destroying the credibility and competition of the lower divisions. Imagine one team playing against 'reserve' B team one week, then the next week a different team plays the same B team that's full of U18s because the main team has called them up for a League Cup or Europa League game. This happens all the time in the European examples and it renders the idea of a fair competition a farce. Basically you're destroying the lower league system, giving more opportunity for top clubs to hoard players and for no real guarentee that it will have any effect on improving the national side. If you want to know why Germany and Spain are dominating international football and producing massive amounts of high quality players you need to look at the amount of proper qualified coaches they have and what they're doing with them at an early age. The idea that you can just drop a load of B teams into our deep football pyramid and solve the issues is absolutely typical of the sort of lazy, lacklustre quick fixes that the FA love. Nod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 One of the great things about English football is that there are proper teams with proper support throughout the pyramid. Reserve teams in the football league for god's sake. Disgusting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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